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In reply to the discussion: This Democrat thinks he can win in 2016 as the anti-Obama [View all]grantcart
(53,061 posts)224. Not at all because you can't implement single payer at the federal level unless the Supreme Court
finds it constitutional.
As Chief Justice Roberts was the deciding vote and he found that increasing Medicaid, an already existing single party plan, unconstitutional no educated observer of the Court believes that they would have found increasing Medicaid unconstitutional but mandatory take over of the entire system constitutional.
I simply used Schweitzer's fantasy of doing it all at one time a bit much, I just expected that most readers would connect the dots.
Beyond that the single largest increase of single payer coverage in the US since Medicaid was adopted are the millions (currently 4 million) who are in expanded Medicaid.
Now here is where Schweitzer really goes off the rails.
He wants single payer but he opposed mandatory expansion of Medicaid. That isn't a bit much it is a ton too much.
Not a profile in courage.
It is clear that the fastest way to single payer is the ACA, get SC approval and expand on that. Anyone who doesn't get that shouldn't be heading to Iowa.
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No--he's in the POCKET of the NRA. So play the childish "Oh noes" game all day if you'd like.
MADem
Jan 2014
#349
You apparently don't know what a straw man is. That's his record. Look it up. nt
MADem
Jan 2014
#353
Only if he runs against the GOP and not against Obama...then I'll support him. This is bigger than
kelliekat44
Jan 2014
#122
Let's get him the nomination and see f a real progressive can win. I say Damn yes he can.
Vincardog
Jan 2014
#254
One of the best human beings to ever hold the office mispronounced the word.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jan 2014
#313
...yeap, they're called nutters... they, like this guy, support Stand Your Ground laws... and should
uponit7771
Jan 2014
#117
He is not simply disagreeing with policy. He is engaging in low brow bashing of the President.
grantcart
Jan 2014
#134
Now that I'm reading more about his *actual* policy positions, I see what they mean.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#331
I believe that is ANYONE supports Stand Your Ground laws, that person is racist, period.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#373
First, I apologize: I mistook you for the poster to whom I was responding initially.
Maedhros
Jan 2014
#374
The law is racist. We have to agree to disagree on this one. Apology accepted.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#375
We do agree to some extent - the law is being USED by racists to avoid responsibility
Maedhros
Jan 2014
#377
No State is allowed to implement a single payer plan until 2017 at the earliest, this is part of ACA
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2014
#218
Not at all because you can't implement single payer at the federal level unless the Supreme Court
grantcart
Jan 2014
#224
152 recs and counting....some from people who claim to OPPOSE the things this guy supports!
MADem
Jan 2014
#301
What does, "the nation's first black president" have to do with this?
LionsTigersRedWings
Jan 2014
#35
So... he shoudl promise a little bit of net neutrality? A little nicer war in Afghanistan?
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#62
Obama has been good on Net Neutrality, the courts are the problem there. nt
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#78
Yes and no. The recent court decision was based on how the FCC had classified the providers.
merrily
Jan 2014
#201
+1, the second he begins the trashing is the second he looses 70% minimum dem voters
uponit7771
Jan 2014
#106
President Obama is the one who said he wants a "uniquely American" system.
Kermitt Gribble
Jan 2014
#256
"I can live with his gun love...He's everything that John Edwards was..." -geek tragedy 2/23/2013
solarhydrocan
Jan 2014
#317
The Democratic Wing is pro DEATH penalty and supports the NRA a hundred percent? Who knew? nt
MADem
Jan 2014
#302
He's done more for energy independence than any other Democrat since Carter
solarhydrocan
Jan 2014
#27
Oh bullshit. Check out Obama's record on energy independence for the entire country
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#250
You are correct. It was 2004 Obama that advocated single payer. Not the 2008 candidate
think
Jan 2014
#173
It was Democrat Max Baucus (D-Insurance) that had single payer advocates *arrested*
solarhydrocan
Jan 2014
#53
I'm not opposed to guns, I'm opposed to nuts using them... the NRA is not... and neither is this guy
uponit7771
Jan 2014
#113
You are NOT going to convince people that "Stand Your Ground" laws aren't meant to allow lynchings..
uponit7771
Jan 2014
#112
I'm black, have a black child.. live in the south.. I sure in the HELL know where I stand on SYG law
uponit7771
Jan 2014
#125
You can be both pro-gun and anti legalized-shootout/racist-murder
ConservativeDemocrat
Jan 2014
#169
And he's pro death penalty. Wants tougher drug laws. He's a real charmer when it comes to the
MADem
Jan 2014
#304
yeah, the guys who support "Stand Your Ground" laws and bashes Obama.. that should go well
uponit7771
Jan 2014
#111
I'd rather have someone wrong on guns and right on economics, trade, and foreign policy
yurbud
Jan 2014
#184
Lots of things I like about Brian, a few things concern me but he sure can give a speech
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2014
#18
He's in full support of the Keystone pipeline, and he's also cut taxes many times.
7962
Jan 2014
#20
I guess it will depend on whether he thinks he can raise money for a credible campaign.
merrily
Jan 2014
#30
Screw him and his coal-loving, tar-sands-embracing, climate-killing, idiotic beliefs. nt
kristopher
Jan 2014
#36
You think there's strong support for the Afghan war and NSA spying among the black community?
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#66
I they those are priorities in the black community but not TOP priorities
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#76
Polls show repeatedly that the folks most concerned with NSA spying are conservatives
Number23
Jan 2014
#208
My response did address what you posted. The concept that party loyalty plays a role in how people
merrily
Jan 2014
#222
My point was and is that most Americans are okay with NSA surveillance but that most of the folks
Number23
Jan 2014
#228
I think the party loyalty issue is both patently obvious from your own post and
merrily
Jan 2014
#232
And I will refer you to my first post in this thread that you decided to leap upon
Number23
Jan 2014
#242
when i go to other sites with open forums, it is always wingnuts who bring up this crap
JI7
Jan 2014
#241
Black people will not vote for someone whose entire campaign is meant to insult
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#85
The OP suggests that Schweitzer will be the "anti-Obama" candidate...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#75
The Democratic Party is divided. Left of center democrats are tired of democrats who act like
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2014
#249
No we do not vote based on skin color. That's a stupid thing to say, but there is an affinity there
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#321
Well we will just have to disagree about whether he has been a great president or not.
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2014
#339
Where he says the only good thing about Obama is that he was the first black President.
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#81
You should know that your perception is spot on and already being picked up in the media
Number23
Jan 2014
#214
Thank you. I'm not sure what we're saying is so controversial. The OP is the one being naive
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#309
Of course you don't think I'm that fucking stupid. We won't do that. Many will stay home.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#306
Learn about his record before you say that. I'm almost positive that he and Bernie would not see
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#338
If Bernie was the nominee, I'd support him 100%! If Schweitzer was, I would not. Bernie does not
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#372
Another cowboy posing as a "Man of the People" and Middle America falls for it: Raygun, Bush...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#334
EPIC FAIL: 'if you can’t think of something nice to say' TOO LATE FOR THAT, HUH?
freshwest
Jan 2014
#262
Running as an Obama-hater is a surefire way to get humiliated in a Democratic primary.
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#79
He'll get the LeftTea vote. Maybe go third party, LIbertarian or the new Conservative Party. n/t
freshwest
Jan 2014
#90
Sadly he'll find plenty of them right here on DU. There are plenty of Obama haters and bashers right
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#336
Nader gladly accepted money from the wingnuts, so who's the real enemy? Really, they're no better.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#341
Schweitzer has (mostly) good ideas, but I don't like the fact that he's running as an anti-Obama.
Vashta Nerada
Jan 2014
#82
Actual Democrats don't plagiarize Paul Ryan and Karl Rove when talking about
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#91
Yeap, one that supported racist ass'd SYG ... signed em into law.. of COURSE that's supported on DU
uponit7771
Jan 2014
#115
Ok, I'm "interested" in anyone who can spout those terms... we all are... the issue isn't that it's.
uponit7771
Jan 2014
#124
Nicely done. Now, DU: Go do your due diligence and find out what this guy truly stands for...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#344
Unless he explains to me and a whole bunch of black folk how he could ever support SYG, he lost it
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#346
I Respect President Obama and Enthusiastically Endorse Brian Schweitzer in 2016 nt
mikekohr
Jan 2014
#127
Schweitzer finally gets it! All you have to do is just WANT single-payer and it'll happen!
Drunken Irishman
Jan 2014
#137
Thank you for this. I clearly need to do my research. It's interesting. Obama was accused of just
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#327
Schweitzer" Medicaid one of the least effective programs in our country's history.
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#170
Great tactic. Alienate the African American vote for who? We are very protective of our president.
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2014
#171
+1...That one line pretty much made me tune out whatever else he was saying...
Blue_Tires
Jan 2014
#176
He's already lost me, and by the time urban radio finds out how he plans to win, he'll be toast.
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2014
#187
You know you're wasting your breath. I've seen about five black posters in this thread and we're
Number23
Jan 2014
#210
The good news is that DU recs are meaningless above ground. Remember Dennis Kucinich? You don't?
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2014
#370
If I were giving advice to B.S., I would suggest that he quickly abandon that strategy. The road to
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2014
#396
Thank you, Bea. I'm not sure what we're saying is so controversial.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#307
He just buried himself. He's no better than the wingnuts who utter that racist bullshit!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#316
I know Steve Bullock, the current governor. He went to law school with a dear friend of mine.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#329
We do need some REAL "Change." But not sure an Insider can do it. And I know BHO won't deliver, that
blkmusclmachine
Jan 2014
#190
If Schweitzer is enthusiastically in favor of ending the federal war on Medical Marijuana, that will
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#192
They PROMOTED Palin as a serious candidate LONG after America considered her to be a nut.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2014
#223
Why get upset? After all, no matter what you think about this guy, or any other person
djean111
Jan 2014
#202
Are you saying that unless a candidate praises Obama - swears fealty, as it were -
djean111
Jan 2014
#363
No! And stop putting fucking words in my mouth. It works the same way with any candidate
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#371
"Black folks". It's a term of endearment. I'm very proud of what my people have done for this countr
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#379
As a Montanan by birth, with lots of family, friends and longtime connections in state,
BlueMTexpat
Jan 2014
#231
I'd campaign for him 24/7 if he's clearly pro womens'/lgbt rights, anti-corporatist/anti neoliberal
Zorra
Jan 2014
#257
he was bragging on Joe Scabbrain about having the first Fracking Bakken well in Montana
Agony
Jan 2014
#275
He's got our vote and we are veteran Deaniac's so we are ready to organize Chicago.
Peregrine Took
Jan 2014
#276
If I can't have Bernie, and I can't have Warren, I guess he will do. I caught wind on another
silvershadow
Jan 2014
#356
Libertarian climate change denier, in line with Republicans on tax cuts.
Progressive dog
Jan 2014
#395