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In reply to the discussion: If you think Feminism is not pro men, [View all]BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)161. Fire!
Thank you. That is one of my favorite Sinead O'Conner pieces. I didn't know who she was quoting, but I love the line "The opposite of patriarchy isn't matriarchy; but fraternity" strikes to my core and I hope that at some point get beyond "the battle of the sexes"
I believe something happened around 7-8 thousand years ago that changed the balance of power and gave males dominance...their God says so with the dominion over all the earth; and they took it literally so that "God" is a mean bully who keeps score. And it is our task to balance those scales; not with reverse dominion but through cooperation.
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"The opposite to patriarchy is not matriarchy but fraternity." Repeat it. Over and Over.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jan 2014
#7
It's a worthy ideal at the least. But we shouldn't lose sight of where the lines are drawn, which
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#46
I'd like to think we are. And I tend to work off of that assumption, though admittedly not always.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#60
I wasn't talking about you personally. Just trying to explain what I was getting at. n/t
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#162
So what's the use of pretending everybody's equal when that is manifestly not the case?
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#64
"My version of equality is everyone is treated the same way regardless." And do you think that
Squinch
Jan 2014
#83
At the least it would cause people to place more value on the life of the woman involved.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#70
Reproductive rights is a problematic issue to discuss in the context of "equality"
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#110
If not "equality" then let's address the issue in terms of women's basic autonomy.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#163
I guess the OP was more a response to the knee-jerk contention that feminism is anti-male.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#166
I have no argument whatsoever with this post. Constricting gender roles are bad for everybody.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#170
A silly far-right pipe dream dressed up in left-wing clothes, I think.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2014
#80
I believe that what Ms Greer was talking about was not getting rid of government organizations
el_bryanto
Jan 2014
#99
I had the same experience with it. It was the book that just shifted my perception
Squinch
Jan 2014
#90
Nope. He's oppressed by feminists because women no longer pay more than men for insurance because
Squinch
Jan 2014
#85
How do you define a "top" disease? For example: "Since 1984, more women than men have died
Squinch
Jan 2014
#88
Could you provide some kind of details re: your claim about the top diseases? nt
redqueen
Jan 2014
#121
The idea that the ACA is biased against men is what's laughable, and anyone whining to that effect
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#38
Certainly biology dictates that men and women have different healthcare needs.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#101
Somebody call the waaaambulance. Women are paying the same as men., Waaahhh! nt
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#37
The funny thing is the larger struggle for equality is pitting the 99% against each other here
NoOneMan
Jan 2014
#54
I think its really important to not judge the feminist movement by what goes on here lately
NoOneMan
Jan 2014
#48
Could that have happened if there weren't a group, equally as vocal and forceful as HoF,
Squinch
Jan 2014
#111
If we are going to have a conversation about HoF, let's not be precious. Let's say "HoF."
Squinch
Jan 2014
#120
Feminism is advocacy for gender equity by removing historic barriers against women.
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2014
#112
I've suggested either women ought to register for SS or we shouldn't have it period...
Hippo_Tron
Jan 2014
#123
There hasn't been a draft for over 40 years, it's not a policy priority for anyone
Hippo_Tron
Jan 2014
#133
If it's not a #1 feminist priority, then they are not about institutional equality.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#140
I'm saying that if one isn't fighting for equality, they shouldn't clam to be fighters for equality.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#146
Since feminism is about advocacy for women, I wouldn't expect them to.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#165
Because of gender-specific laws on selective service registration, that's why.
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2014
#136
"or it's an artifact of the process of bargaining done in order to pass this complex bill"
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#141
As I already wrote, I don't know enough about the history of those ACA provisions to comment
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2014
#142
If you want to talk outcomes instead of dollars for your metric that's not a problem
Major Nikon
Jan 2014
#148
Because those facts alone don't demonstrate a need for a separate office for men.
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2014
#152
So dying sooner and suffering disparately from treatable diseases is not a demonstrated need
Major Nikon
Jan 2014
#154
But most research into diseases, and especially into cures for diseases are focused on men
KitSileya
Jan 2014
#156
The NCI funds breast cancer research at almost twice the rate of any other cancer
Major Nikon
Jan 2014
#159
Dworkin describes coitus as an act of coerced violence, which can be reasonably interpreted as rape
Major Nikon
Jan 2014
#180