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In reply to the discussion: If you think Feminism is not pro men, [View all]lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)140. If it's not a #1 feminist priority, then they are not about institutional equality.
Many of the goals of NOW (and by extension, mainstream feminism) incidentally benefit men. But that's not what the OP is arguing.
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"The opposite to patriarchy is not matriarchy but fraternity." Repeat it. Over and Over.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jan 2014
#7
It's a worthy ideal at the least. But we shouldn't lose sight of where the lines are drawn, which
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#46
I'd like to think we are. And I tend to work off of that assumption, though admittedly not always.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#60
I wasn't talking about you personally. Just trying to explain what I was getting at. n/t
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#162
So what's the use of pretending everybody's equal when that is manifestly not the case?
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#64
"My version of equality is everyone is treated the same way regardless." And do you think that
Squinch
Jan 2014
#83
At the least it would cause people to place more value on the life of the woman involved.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#70
Reproductive rights is a problematic issue to discuss in the context of "equality"
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#110
If not "equality" then let's address the issue in terms of women's basic autonomy.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#163
I guess the OP was more a response to the knee-jerk contention that feminism is anti-male.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#166
I have no argument whatsoever with this post. Constricting gender roles are bad for everybody.
nomorenomore08
Jan 2014
#170
A silly far-right pipe dream dressed up in left-wing clothes, I think.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2014
#80
I believe that what Ms Greer was talking about was not getting rid of government organizations
el_bryanto
Jan 2014
#99
I had the same experience with it. It was the book that just shifted my perception
Squinch
Jan 2014
#90
Nope. He's oppressed by feminists because women no longer pay more than men for insurance because
Squinch
Jan 2014
#85
How do you define a "top" disease? For example: "Since 1984, more women than men have died
Squinch
Jan 2014
#88
Could you provide some kind of details re: your claim about the top diseases? nt
redqueen
Jan 2014
#121
The idea that the ACA is biased against men is what's laughable, and anyone whining to that effect
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#38
Certainly biology dictates that men and women have different healthcare needs.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#101
Somebody call the waaaambulance. Women are paying the same as men., Waaahhh! nt
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#37
The funny thing is the larger struggle for equality is pitting the 99% against each other here
NoOneMan
Jan 2014
#54
I think its really important to not judge the feminist movement by what goes on here lately
NoOneMan
Jan 2014
#48
Could that have happened if there weren't a group, equally as vocal and forceful as HoF,
Squinch
Jan 2014
#111
If we are going to have a conversation about HoF, let's not be precious. Let's say "HoF."
Squinch
Jan 2014
#120
Feminism is advocacy for gender equity by removing historic barriers against women.
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2014
#112
I've suggested either women ought to register for SS or we shouldn't have it period...
Hippo_Tron
Jan 2014
#123
There hasn't been a draft for over 40 years, it's not a policy priority for anyone
Hippo_Tron
Jan 2014
#133
If it's not a #1 feminist priority, then they are not about institutional equality.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#140
I'm saying that if one isn't fighting for equality, they shouldn't clam to be fighters for equality.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#146
Since feminism is about advocacy for women, I wouldn't expect them to.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#165
Because of gender-specific laws on selective service registration, that's why.
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2014
#136
"or it's an artifact of the process of bargaining done in order to pass this complex bill"
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#141
As I already wrote, I don't know enough about the history of those ACA provisions to comment
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2014
#142
If you want to talk outcomes instead of dollars for your metric that's not a problem
Major Nikon
Jan 2014
#148
Because those facts alone don't demonstrate a need for a separate office for men.
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2014
#152
So dying sooner and suffering disparately from treatable diseases is not a demonstrated need
Major Nikon
Jan 2014
#154
But most research into diseases, and especially into cures for diseases are focused on men
KitSileya
Jan 2014
#156
The NCI funds breast cancer research at almost twice the rate of any other cancer
Major Nikon
Jan 2014
#159
Dworkin describes coitus as an act of coerced violence, which can be reasonably interpreted as rape
Major Nikon
Jan 2014
#180