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In reply to the discussion: NBC News: Mysterious California Crop Circle plowed over [View all]SidDithers
(44,228 posts)122. As usual, your interpretation of history is wrong...
Many people believe that crop circles have been reported for centuries, a claim repeated in many books and websites devoted to the mystery. Their primary piece of evidence is a woodcut from 1678 that appears to show a field of oat stalks laid out in a circle. Some take this to be a first-hand eyewitness account of a crop circle, but a little historical investigation shows otherwise.
The woodcut was actually used to illustrate what in folklore is called a "mowing devil" legend, in which an English farmer told a worker with whom he was feuding that he "would rather pay the Devil himself" to cut his oat field than pay the fee demanded. The source of the harvesting is not unknown or mysterious it is indeed Satan himself, who can be seen in the woodcut holding a scythe. According to the original text of the legend, the devil "cut them in round circles, and plac't every straw with that exactness that it would have taken up above an Age for any Man to perform what he did that one night." This image and story cannot be related to crop circles because it states explicitly that the crop was cut (i.e., harvested) rather than laid down, as occurs in crop circles.
The woodcut was actually used to illustrate what in folklore is called a "mowing devil" legend, in which an English farmer told a worker with whom he was feuding that he "would rather pay the Devil himself" to cut his oat field than pay the fee demanded. The source of the harvesting is not unknown or mysterious it is indeed Satan himself, who can be seen in the woodcut holding a scythe. According to the original text of the legend, the devil "cut them in round circles, and plac't every straw with that exactness that it would have taken up above an Age for any Man to perform what he did that one night." This image and story cannot be related to crop circles because it states explicitly that the crop was cut (i.e., harvested) rather than laid down, as occurs in crop circles.
http://www.livescience.com/26540-crop-circles.html
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I brush between scientific materialist meals to eliminate scientific materialist claque
Orrex
Jan 2014
#21
Scientists are frequently fooled by hucksters and charlatans like Geller...
SidDithers
Jan 2014
#210
Bingo. This rather puts Octafish's obsession with JFK CTs in perspective, does it not?
stopbush
Jan 2014
#93
Your credulity at every CT and bit of woo is becoming legend, octafish...nt
SidDithers
Jan 2014
#129
Show where I've intentionally lied or presented information that was not true on DU.
Octafish
Jan 2014
#192
As for Crop Circles, no where did I post who or what created them. As far as I know, no one knows."
zappaman
Jan 2014
#203
Posting a bunch of links to your own DU posts isn't exactly proof of anything
stopbush
Jan 2014
#217
And even funnier how they cling to the tangential, while rejecting that for which
stopbush
Jan 2014
#221
when everything you posit has been thoroughly debunked over and over and over... it makes you look a
dionysus
Jan 2014
#278
does this mean i have to post a shit ton of woo to make myself more memorable?
dionysus
Jan 2014
#293
How does my stating: 'I remember your journal when it first started, zappaman' constitute a lie?
Octafish
Jan 2014
#303
You start with a drawing, then grab a couple tall stakes, some string, and some boards.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#35
Big deal. That website is hawking a book. They do not show they made anything...
Octafish
Jan 2014
#94
So if there is no video of humans making that one, then humans didn't make it?
arcane1
Jan 2014
#160
So, unlike what you wrote, there is no video of people making those particular crop circles?
Octafish
Jan 2014
#227
I'd love to hear the yaysayers explain why EVERY SINGLE ONE of these "mysterious" things
sibelian
Jan 2014
#207
You do realize that those are not the only two people who make these things, right?
arcane1
Jan 2014
#188
What the real mystery seems to be- is why it bothers you and your ilk so much?
notadmblnd
Jan 2014
#149
he has never been as stoned, or had his hair bouffed out so much, since that day...
dionysus
Jan 2014
#281
You're Mr. Research right? If you spent any time looking into these phenomenon
snooper2
Jan 2014
#119
The gullibility of the crop circle suckers is truly amazing: "Confession Hollow" !
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2014
#284
"Can't explain"? Except that whole part where they've been totally fucking explained, right?
Codeine
Jan 2014
#47
Thanks for nothin' ET. We already figured out PI. Tell us something new. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#92
You misunderstood: Followers of Amazing Randi use similar techniques as the FBI.
Octafish
Jan 2014
#267
Mocking people has nothing to do with "democratic" ideals. It has to do with making your case.
MADem
Jan 2014
#142
Gee. I don't recall treating other DUers like I've been treated on this thread.
Octafish
Jan 2014
#248
"Certainly some, if not most, are man-made. Some, however, have no plausible explanation"...
SidDithers
Jan 2014
#276
You think a Japanese utility has something to do with flattened plants in Salinas?
LeftyMom
Jan 2014
#56
Um, it wasn't "scientific materialists of yesteryear" who persecuted Galileo
William Seger
Jan 2014
#141
It's a deliberate attempt to discredit the claim that hu7mans created the circles.
arcane1
Jan 2014
#172
So, when is the OP going to admit that they were wonky-woo about the original crop circle
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2014
#241
You know historically it's been woo pushers that have conspired against science
NuclearDem
Jan 2014
#242
Have you seen the amazing beach sand artist of New Zealand? He's not anonymous....
Hekate
Jan 2014
#65
I like how by debunking some crop circles, all crop circles are discounted as a hoax.
cbdo2007
Jan 2014
#164
That's like saying all cave drawings are a hoax because someone last year made
cbdo2007
Jan 2014
#170
So to get a million smart ass replies, all I have to do is type 'Scientific Materialist claque'?
Rex
Jan 2014
#259
Wow. Just wow. This thread is just a study in how fucking mean DU has become.
ScreamingMeemie
Jan 2014
#283