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In reply to the discussion: Stop Fawning Over Pope Francis at the Expense of Women and Gay Rights [View all]No Vested Interest
(5,166 posts)76. "I do not fault them for not agreeing".
You are far too generous, Drahthaardogs.
You know, as well as I, that many here not only do not know what they are talking about, they have no idea what they do not know.
Your last line is most correct - what is the point of attempting discussion - I use the term discussion because I do not come on DU to argue- with those who only know what they have picked up along the way and only wish to support their position, rather than taking an objective look at a very deep and complicated subject.
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Stop Fawning Over Pope Francis at the Expense of Women and Gay Rights [View all]
Jesus Malverde
Dec 2013
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Women & LGBT don’t need Catholics to be their friends, we need them to stop actively challenging
PeaceNikki
Dec 2013
#1
Again, awesome! But it doesn't change the fact they actively fight against my rights and the rights
PeaceNikki
Dec 2013
#144
Is it honest to present a request to stop fawning as a demand to 'stamp out' anything?
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#21
How are we "tossing aside" issues simply because we see some good coming from Francis?
OnionPatch
Dec 2013
#114
Birth control is necessary to economic progress. It's necessary for our environment.
LeftyMom
Dec 2013
#6
But but but popey-poo said people should be NICE to us while they strip us of our rights.
PeaceNikki
Dec 2013
#8
Yes, because your key point is that the Pope is all talk -- so why do you include mere talk
El_Johns
Dec 2013
#23
And people here on DU BLAME him for not using the magic wand to make it go POOOOF!!!!!!
MADem
Dec 2013
#127
You are wrong about him being able to change doctrine. A Pope CANNOT change Church doctrine.
Drahthaardogs
Dec 2013
#35
He doesn't have to 'let' gay people get married, just stop actively challenging their rights. Same
PeaceNikki
Dec 2013
#37
Your being perplexed might spring from a lack of knowledge about Francis' role as
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#42
His first marriage annulment. The second, the mother of his children, he divorced
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#62
Yep, lots of people do what they please, or at least pick what they please
Drahthaardogs
Dec 2013
#93
Your assumption that he wants to 'move the bus' on homophobia in his Church
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#33
Can you give examples of what you mean by "ardent & vicious attacker"? As I understand it,
El_Johns
Dec 2013
#55
Francis said stopping marriage equality was 'God's war'. He said gay relationships
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#63
He's an absolute monarch whose word is law. He has absolute control over the church.
NYC Liberal
Dec 2013
#41
It is sad, because I believe the Roman Catholic Church needs some 21st Century updating
Drahthaardogs
Dec 2013
#79
Remember when Obama's position was "marriage is between a man and a woman- God is in the mix"?
Nye Bevan
Dec 2013
#22
I remember that he is a politician and he had previously spoken in favor of equality
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#52
yes, but only concerned that the punishment does not fit the sin (the crime)
Laughing Mirror
Dec 2013
#141
Both the Ugandan Catholic church & the international Catholic church have taken very public
El_Johns
Dec 2013
#68
82% of Uganda is either Catholic or Anglican, nothing happens there without
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#91
You make that claim; where's your evidence? Are you claiming the Catholic Church runs Uganda?
El_Johns
Dec 2013
#92
Your claim is that 82% of the population had nothing to do with this law?
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#98
Funny. Your claim amounts to saying that even though both the Ugandan Catholic hierarchy
El_Johns
Dec 2013
#99
This 'which group of anti gay religionists is most culpable' trip is your own. To me they are all
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#115
Very public positions since 08? The Pope's assistant has expressed his concern and
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#95
Yes, public positions since '08. There were earlier iterations of this bill, you understand.
El_Johns
Dec 2013
#96
cali, look at the number of people in this thread insisting that Francis is tolerant toward
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#36
"Fawning" is bad. Biblical social norms are bad. Economic justice is good. Not that complicated.
DirkGently
Dec 2013
#60
So because the Pope didn't instantly stand up against 3000 years of Church Dogma
SomethingFishy
Dec 2013
#83
At this point, I think it is fair to say quit the hypocritical gnashing of teeth.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2013
#84
thank you for this thread. i am getting annoyed with the fawning over this pope
Liberal_in_LA
Dec 2013
#86
i cant like someone who supports second class status for some of humanity
Liberal_in_LA
Dec 2013
#122
What? FYI - anyone that turns the stomach of the GOP with his caring...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2013
#106
Of course not, but misrepresenting or denying his bigotry and opposition to women's rights is
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#116
I don't know that many here are "denying his bigotry and opposition to women's rights."
Le Taz Hot
Dec 2013
#118
Of course! He spoke out against Western corporate malfeasance! We MUST hate him now!
Rex
Dec 2013
#134
k&r This pope is a homophobic bigot, forced-birther, and protector of institutionalised pedophilia.
idwiyo
Dec 2013
#135
Until Obama, or Clinton or Warren or Sanders or ANY politician admits that the state is an
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2013
#147