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K.O. Stradivarius

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29. Not at all.

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Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:07 PM

Dec 2013

But a question like that might be better asked of someone who has been there.

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(edited title) False allegations of rape and domestic violence are few and far between [View all] redqueen Dec 2013 OP

And the MRA group will blather on about every one they can find... Ohio Joe Dec 2013 #1

What else have they got? Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #12

Is that the He Mans Woman Haters Club? zappaman Dec 2013 #19

Non other (pre-Darla of course). n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #23

and use one case to excuse every single rapist BainsBane Dec 2013 #52

Where is this group? I like to see these posts about their oppression Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #103

No... I don't think you do Ohio Joe Dec 2013 #124

And despite that... K.O. Stradivarius Dec 2013 #2

Well you'll be happy to know gollygee Dec 2013 #3

That's of small comfort to the innocent person K.O. Stradivarius Dec 2013 #13

Yes it is horrible for someone wrongly imprisoned gollygee Dec 2013 #14

bully for you. rape... pffft. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #9

Yeah... bully for you too. K.O. Stradivarius Dec 2013 #24

Well perhaps when you are raped and your rapist walks free you may feel differently. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #43

So 99 raped human beings mean less to you than one? ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #58

The justice system is imperfect for every issue it handles treestar Dec 2013 #70

Really? treestar Dec 2013 #69

You know that you actually wrote these words, right? Squinch Dec 2013 #83

what you are arguing is that no crime should EVER be prosecuted. seabeyond Dec 2013 #92

99 victims worth < 1 falsely convicted. Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #93

That's an odd response - first of all as is pointed out above el_bryanto Dec 2013 #15

No, sadly it isn't. redqueen Dec 2013 #22

It's easy to make that sacrifice when it's not you or a family member who is falsely accused davidn3600 Dec 2013 #28

0.6% of rape cases. That implies that 99.4% of the time the accused is guilty el_bryanto Dec 2013 #31

I was making a hypothetical..but... davidn3600 Dec 2013 #33

Fall on the sword? He never said anything even remotely resembling that. redqueen Dec 2013 #34

And nobody here ever said that they are common... davidn3600 Dec 2013 #38

Really? Hmm... I could've sworn I'd seen the 45%+ claim posted here. redqueen Dec 2013 #41

Do you really see that happening here? whopis01 Dec 2013 #95

That's an even odder response el_bryanto Dec 2013 #37

You don't prove innocence in this country...that's not how it works davidn3600 Dec 2013 #39

OK - than if the State can make their case they should pay the price. el_bryanto Dec 2013 #42

Im advocating for those who are truly innocent davidn3600 Dec 2013 #56

And no one said your second paragraph treestar Dec 2013 #71

So crimes shouldn't be prosecuted? Because I'm not seeing anything else that would Squinch Dec 2013 #85

But the premise is ridiculous. It is the same as saying that murderers should go free because some Squinch Dec 2013 #84

Not at all. K.O. Stradivarius Dec 2013 #29

Nods - well I can see how their experience might be relevant el_bryanto Dec 2013 #32

apples to not-remotely-apples comparison you've suggested there. Schema Thing Dec 2013 #49

Why does one experience matter more than the other? nt el_bryanto Dec 2013 #51

So you would rather 99 women were raped intaglio Dec 2013 #78

The 99 guilty persons going free represent many multiples of 99 women being Squinch Dec 2013 #82

Would you say the same thing about murder and theft? athena Dec 2013 #120

When it comes to rape, you are getting your wish. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #121

I expect a flurry of posts etherealtruth Dec 2013 #4

just general dismissal and rather see 99 rapist go free so that .6 of a person does not go to jail seabeyond Dec 2013 #11

Whether it's .01% or 50% it doesn't make any difference when it comes to an individual trial davidn3600 Dec 2013 #5

Did anyone say anything you're suggesting people said? gollygee Dec 2013 #7

No they didn't. treestar Dec 2013 #72

derail. it matters because of using a claim of 45%-75% dismisses rape of our girls and women. seabeyond Dec 2013 #8

I'm talking about trials and juries, not the police davidn3600 Dec 2013 #17

what you are arguing is that no crime should EVER be prosecuted. seabeyond Dec 2013 #91

Lovely distraction. jeff47 Dec 2013 #45

Uh, yes we DO have to worry about rape accusations and acquittal sibelian Dec 2013 #89

Are you worried about people struck by lightning? jeff47 Dec 2013 #96

thank you redq. UK taking htis seriously. GOOD. it always made sense false claims would be LOWER seabeyond Dec 2013 #6

Since so many people work so hard to push the illusion that false rape allegations are common redqueen Dec 2013 #25

35 false accusations of rape in a year is still 35 too many Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #10

35 rapes a year is 35 too many rapes as well. gollygee Dec 2013 #16

+1. nt LisaLynne Dec 2013 #18

Of course false accusations are not acceptable etherealtruth Dec 2013 #20

No legal system is ever going to be perfect treestar Dec 2013 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #21

So men accused of rape should be considered guilty from the start? Skip Intro Dec 2013 #26

Oh yes, that's totally the point. LisaLynne Dec 2013 #27

No, the point is when people say that false rape allegations are common, they're either ignorant redqueen Dec 2013 #30

Yes, it harms both sexes, so it's not just men vs women. Some insist on framing it that way, freshwest Dec 2013 #48

You aren't that stupid. jeff47 Dec 2013 #46

No. treestar Dec 2013 #74

Well, maybe the point is that a small percentages of allegations are false. Squinch Dec 2013 #87

"Rape investigations 'undermined by belief that false accusations are rife'" Cerridwen Dec 2013 #35

"Rape investigations 'undermined by belief that false accusations are rife'" redqueen Dec 2013 #36

That is what happens when "common knowledge" is manufactured Cerridwen Dec 2013 #40

You are the queen of great sources! Squinch Dec 2013 #86

Thank you. Actually, I'm a bookworm and a nerd. Cerridwen Dec 2013 #104

I, too, have embraced my nerd. I think it is my best quality. Squinch Dec 2013 #106

What was the pain of my childhood now becomes an honor. Cerridwen Dec 2013 #109

LOL! Oh, please do! Squinch Dec 2013 #110

:D Cerridwen Dec 2013 #112

Now, Everybody! Squinch Dec 2013 #117

It works both ways, unfortunately. How many times did I read here pnwmom Dec 2013 #54

You forgot Tawana Brawley. Cerridwen Dec 2013 #102

I don't believe and I never said that false accusations are common. BUT pnwmom Dec 2013 #105

You said, "It works both ways, unfortunately." Cerridwen Dec 2013 #107

No, it doesn't. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #108

I will now bow out and you can have the final word in the Cerridwen Dec 2013 #111

That's misleading. You can't base that statistic on prosecutions, because prosecutors are reluctant Zorra Dec 2013 #44

Based on what? jeff47 Dec 2013 #47

The general point is true, though. The number of prosecuted rapes pnwmom Dec 2013 #53

The percentage should be roughly consistent. jeff47 Dec 2013 #55

I don't know how we can make that assumption. pnwmom Dec 2013 #57

Those reasons couldn't possibly turn 0.6% into 3%. jeff47 Dec 2013 #59

yes they well could dsc Dec 2013 #94

And that relies on the false assumption that false accusations are less likely to get prosecuted. jeff47 Dec 2013 #97

apparently you didn't bother to read my post dsc Dec 2013 #101

And again, we have no real reason to believe that there's a difference jeff47 Dec 2013 #113

You are conflating two different things. dsc Dec 2013 #116

Lying isn't the barrier to prosecution. jeff47 Dec 2013 #128

you have no earthly idea if 3% is high or not dsc Dec 2013 #129

Actually, I do. jeff47 Dec 2013 #130

then they would never be prosecuted dsc Dec 2013 #131

Nah, since the FBI says the stat is 8%, and rq's figure is 0.6%, it seemed Zorra Dec 2013 #98

8% unfounded. now, read up what unfounded consists of. not fighting off rape ect... really want to seabeyond Dec 2013 #99

True. That's another reason why I estimated around 1.5% - 2%. nt Zorra Dec 2013 #100

As Someone Who Has Been the Subject of a False Domestic Violence Call On the Road Dec 2013 #50

It's 0.5% for false domestic violence allegations. nt redqueen Dec 2013 #60

For prosecutions of false domestic violence allegations. pnwmom Dec 2013 #61

It seems what is shown is only .6% of rape charges end up being prosecuted for false charges. TheKentuckian Dec 2013 #62

Someone needs a lesson in statistics. Savannahmann Dec 2013 #63

Yes, add to that 27% in England is where abortion access is not an issue. Here in US it is. Festivito Dec 2013 #65

The standard of proof in criminal trials before British courts... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #67

Yes... sibelian Dec 2013 #64

This is NOT a study, it is not even SCIENCE. Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #66

The Crown Prosecution Service is biased intaglio Dec 2013 #79

Um, it's called RESEARCH BIAS Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #81

That is one of the dumbest justifications ever treestar Dec 2013 #68

I can spot two methodological problems here Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #75

Just goes to show.. sendero Dec 2013 #80

The study concludes the charge that false allegations are rife is wrong. In examining false retread Dec 2013 #76

0.6% is about the same as gun owners who commit crimes with their guns The Straight Story Dec 2013 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Dec 2013 #88

Oh goody, another torturing of ACTUAL statistics .... 99Forever Dec 2013 #90

I'm sure you're aware that various studies, using various methodologies, Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #114

Not to mention, many of those falsely accused of rape KitSileya Dec 2013 #115

The largest single cause of false convictions of all sorts Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #119

I don't dispute that. KitSileya Dec 2013 #122

This is what happens when people follow their holy books- snooper2 Dec 2013 #118

Good edit. False allegations of rape are not common. And rape is way more common Zorra Dec 2013 #123

That jives with RAINN stats too. KitSileya Dec 2013 #127

True.. but take my word for it, when it happens SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #125

Thank you! riqster Dec 2013 #126