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In reply to the discussion: The Coming 'Instant Planetary Emergency'. [View all]AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)65. There's still a problem that you refuse to acknowledge, Nick.
There is no dispute that the Arctic has been warming faster than any other place on Earth. It's the claim of no slowdown in overall warming that makes this particular study problematic, because all the other research says otherwise(as I pointed out, the oceans did take in a lot of extra heat starting in the middle '90s).
And even you can't argue that the Arctic isn't warming far faster than the rest of the planet, given the peer-reviewed evidence to the contrary (a simple online search will give you HUNDREDS of journal articles to that effect).
Not that I ever did, mind you. But then again, that didn't stop you from building a strawman, amirite?
So, in this thread I've presented two independent, peer-reviewed studies saying that climate models are overly conservative (this one and the US Navy study I posted earlier).
And all you need to do is look at the record. At least two of the first three studies I mentioned may indeed have been conservative, and the third one mentioning a possible 3.5*C rise is up for debate. But none of these others were any sort of conservative at all, and that's what you apparently completely fail to realize(after all, if these already highly unreasonably pessimistic estimates of 5*C by 2050 or 3.5*C by 2035 for two of the most egregious examples, are "conservative" in the eyes of doomers, then what's the most "accurate" view?).
But I'll be sure to put AverageJoe90, random dude from the Internet, above RealClimate, a well-recognized source of information on climate change, in my go-to reading list of climate change research.
And normally, they *do* get things right. But this is one of those (rare) times where they've dropped the ball; it does happen, you know, we're only human.
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Melting permafrost will pump tons of methane into the air. Methane is a very potent GH gas.
alfredo
Dec 2013
#3
ironicaly amusing if an ice-free shipping zone opens up on the Siberian side and not the NA side
nilram
Dec 2013
#7
Good source. It also allows for a much clearer answer for those that have trouble understanding
grantcart
Dec 2013
#47
And a lot of this "the findings are all getting worse, all the time" stuff is hooey as well.....
AverageJoe90
Dec 2013
#30
Something that would shade to the right, controlled degree, the upper atmosphere
Ghost Dog
Dec 2013
#32
I graduated from one of the first multi-disciplinary environmental science courses
Ghost Dog
Dec 2013
#66
All I know is I was very happy to see Stephen Colbert tear David Keith a new one.
truedelphi
Dec 2013
#37
And honestly, I do wonder how much climate doomerism may play into such fantasies...................
AverageJoe90
Dec 2013
#72
No. Any "technological breakthrough" will only create a new set of problems
magical thyme
Dec 2013
#49
"STFU. We don't want to hear no steenkin truth. Sneer." - RepubliBaggers, Inc. (R)
Berlum
Dec 2013
#18
Yes they have a track record but it has been on the conservative side as you stated.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#57
You do realize I had that in *quotes*, right? As in....with an element of sarcasm?
AverageJoe90
Dec 2013
#61
dramatically reduced emission vehicles are irrelevent until the existing fleet is largely replaced
magical thyme
Dec 2013
#54
I used to criticize the format rather than the content too... but then I learned how to read better.
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#67