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In reply to the discussion: The Coming 'Instant Planetary Emergency'. [View all]NickB79
(19,246 posts)64. Perhaps you missed this part
But errors in global temperature trends arise if these areas evolve differently from the global mean. Thats been the case over the last 15 years in the Arctic, which has warmed exceptionally fast, as shown by satellite and reanalysis data and by the massive sea ice loss there. This problem was analysed for the first time by Rasmus in 2008 at RealClimate, and it was later confirmed by other authors in the scientific literature.
So, the issue has been noticed since 2008 by multiple people, not just one "fringe outlier" study as you call it. And even you can't argue that the Arctic isn't warming far faster than the rest of the planet, given the peer-reviewed evidence to the contrary (a simple online search will give you HUNDREDS of journal articles to that effect).
So, in this thread I've presented two independent, peer-reviewed studies saying that climate models are overly conservative (this one and the US Navy study I posted earlier). You've presented nothing.
But I'll be sure to put AverageJoe90, random dude from the Internet, above RealClimate, a well-recognized source of information on climate change, in my go-to reading list of climate change research.
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Melting permafrost will pump tons of methane into the air. Methane is a very potent GH gas.
alfredo
Dec 2013
#3
ironicaly amusing if an ice-free shipping zone opens up on the Siberian side and not the NA side
nilram
Dec 2013
#7
Good source. It also allows for a much clearer answer for those that have trouble understanding
grantcart
Dec 2013
#47
And a lot of this "the findings are all getting worse, all the time" stuff is hooey as well.....
AverageJoe90
Dec 2013
#30
Something that would shade to the right, controlled degree, the upper atmosphere
Ghost Dog
Dec 2013
#32
I graduated from one of the first multi-disciplinary environmental science courses
Ghost Dog
Dec 2013
#66
All I know is I was very happy to see Stephen Colbert tear David Keith a new one.
truedelphi
Dec 2013
#37
And honestly, I do wonder how much climate doomerism may play into such fantasies...................
AverageJoe90
Dec 2013
#72
No. Any "technological breakthrough" will only create a new set of problems
magical thyme
Dec 2013
#49
"STFU. We don't want to hear no steenkin truth. Sneer." - RepubliBaggers, Inc. (R)
Berlum
Dec 2013
#18
Yes they have a track record but it has been on the conservative side as you stated.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#57
You do realize I had that in *quotes*, right? As in....with an element of sarcasm?
AverageJoe90
Dec 2013
#61
dramatically reduced emission vehicles are irrelevent until the existing fleet is largely replaced
magical thyme
Dec 2013
#54
I used to criticize the format rather than the content too... but then I learned how to read better.
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#67