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Uncle Joe

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57. Yes they have a track record but it has been on the conservative side as you stated.
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:59 PM
Dec 2013

In regards to sea level rise they've already revised their 2004 IPCC Report to a more negative outlook.



http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/10/sea-level-in-the-5th-ipcc-report/



For an unmitigated future rise in emissions (RCP8.5), IPCC now expects between a half metre and a metre of sea-level rise by the end of this century. The best estimate here is 74 cm.

On the low end, the range for the RCP2.6 scenario is 28-61 cm rise by 2100, with a best estimate of 44 cm. Now that is very remarkable, given that this is a scenario with drastic emissions reductions starting in a few years from now, with the world reaching zero emissions by 2070 and after that succeeding in active carbon dioxide removal from the atmosphere. Even so, the expected sea-level rise will be almost three times as large as that experienced over the 20th Century (17 cm). This reflects the large inertia in the sea-level response – it is very difficult to make sea-level rise slow down again once it has been initiated. This inertia is also the reason for the relatively small difference in sea-level rise by 2100 between the highest and lowest emissions scenario (the ranges even overlap) – the major difference will only be seen in the 22nd century.

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The range up to 98 cm is the IPCC’s “likely” range, i.e. the risk of exceeding 98 cm is considered to be 17%, and IPCC adds in the SPM that “several tenths of a meter of sea level rise during the 21st century” could be added to this if a collapse of marine-based sectors of the Antarctic ice sheet is initiated. It is thus clear that a meter is not the upper limit.

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4. Greenland might melt faster than current models capture, due to the “dark snow” effect. Jason Box, a glaciologist who studies this issue, has said:

There was controversy after AR4 that sea level rise estimates were too low. Now, we have the same problem for AR5 [that they are still too low].



Here's more from the IPCC regarding methane release from fracking.



http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/10/02/2708911/fracking-ipcc-methane/

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that methane (CH4) is far more potent a greenhouse gas than we had previously realized.

This matters to the fracking debate because methane leaks throughout the lifecycle of unconventional gas. Natural gas is, after all, mostly methane (CH4).

We learned last month that the best fracked wells appear to have low emissions of methane, but that study likely missed the high-emitting wells that result in the vast majority of methane leakage. Back in August, a NOAA-led study measured a stunning 6% to 12% methane leakage over one of the country’s largest gas fields — which would gut the climate benefits of switching from coal to gas.

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But the IPCC’s latest report, released Monday (big PDF here), reports that methane is 34 times stronger a heat-trapping gas than CO2 over a 100-year time scale, so its global-warming potential (GWP) is 34. That is a nearly 40% increase from the IPCC’s previous estimate of 25.



With developments like this I believe the IPCC will be revising their reports again and not for the better.

Having said that even under your scenario it's not going to be "business as usual."





Pic of Arctic water temps RobertEarl Dec 2013 #1
Melting permafrost will pump tons of methane into the air. Methane is a very potent GH gas. alfredo Dec 2013 #3
. Ghost Dog Dec 2013 #17
They say that Venus is an example of greenhouse gasses alfredo Dec 2013 #22
For a variety of reasons, absolutely not. nt AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #31
Explain. My knowledge is old. alfredo Dec 2013 #38
ironicaly amusing if an ice-free shipping zone opens up on the Siberian side and not the NA side nilram Dec 2013 #7
Awesome coaster, dude! Can't wait for that to happen! WowSeriously Dec 2013 #2
If you are sitting in the front you get hammered when you hit the water. alfredo Dec 2013 #4
That doesn't sound fun. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #6
When I was younger I liked getting hammered. alfredo Dec 2013 #23
What, me hammered? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #15
These cases are the extreme worst cases, the GOP says nothing.... Logical Dec 2013 #5
What worries me is that the ocean is still absorbing a lot of grantcart Dec 2013 #11
I agree! nt Logical Dec 2013 #20
Woods Hole/OCBproject's "20 facts about Ocean Acidification" Agony Dec 2013 #44
Good source. It also allows for a much clearer answer for those that have trouble understanding grantcart Dec 2013 #47
Maybe so. Ghost Dog Dec 2013 #19
You are right. Wacky was a bad word...... Logical Dec 2013 #21
True, but it seems the scientist have had to readjust their alfredo Dec 2013 #24
And a lot of this "the findings are all getting worse, all the time" stuff is hooey as well..... AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #30
the reality has continued to exceed the "extreme worst cases" predicted magical thyme Dec 2013 #48
Good point! nt Logical Dec 2013 #60
Kick.... daleanime Dec 2013 #8
kinda glad I'm old. TeamPooka Dec 2013 #9
I wish I was a little older... Moostache Dec 2013 #10
Oh do I hear you. I ventured out on a drive cross the County truedelphi Dec 2013 #13
I think that sometimes, but then I think I need alfredo Dec 2013 #25
Does anyone have hope or faith, or science-based expectation cilla4progress Dec 2013 #12
Kissinger was infamous for his quote about culling the herd - you know, truedelphi Dec 2013 #14
I guess that would be a 'socio-political' rather than technological Ghost Dog Dec 2013 #16
I know that's the standard prescription cilla4progress Dec 2013 #29
Something that would shade to the right, controlled degree, the upper atmosphere Ghost Dog Dec 2013 #32
I see you've been paying attention! cilla4progress Dec 2013 #34
I graduated from one of the first multi-disciplinary environmental science courses Ghost Dog Dec 2013 #66
Just sent your earlier post cilla4progress Dec 2013 #73
All I know is I was very happy to see Stephen Colbert tear David Keith a new one. truedelphi Dec 2013 #37
He could have started with himself Aerows Dec 2013 #69
I know. Any time any horrid person like Kissinger talks about truedelphi Dec 2013 #70
And honestly, I do wonder how much climate doomerism may play into such fantasies................... AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #72
We have to find a cure for greed first. alfredo Dec 2013 #26
No. Any "technological breakthrough" will only create a new set of problems magical thyme Dec 2013 #49
"STFU. We don't want to hear no steenkin truth. Sneer." - RepubliBaggers, Inc. (R) Berlum Dec 2013 #18
TV News and Extreme Weather: Don't Mention Climate Change G_j Dec 2013 #27
+1 countryjake Dec 2013 #46
Here comes the fearmongering again..... AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #28
Damn fearmongering US Navy climate scientists NickB79 Dec 2013 #35
Way to take my comment outta context, Nick. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #36
What is your worst case scenario from global warming climate change? n/t Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #40
About ~4*C by 2100 under business-as-usual..... AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #51
Yes they have a track record but it has been on the conservative side as you stated. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #57
You do realize I had that in *quotes*, right? As in....with an element of sarcasm? AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #61
The IPCC used HADCrut data extensively NickB79 Dec 2013 #58
Sorry, but this is only ONE study..... AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #62
Perhaps you missed this part NickB79 Dec 2013 #64
There's still a problem that you refuse to acknowledge, Nick. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #65
So when these alarmists CFLDem Dec 2013 #33
you do realize there is no such thing as an emission-free automobile magical thyme Dec 2013 #50
I apologize for my egregious genralization. CFLDem Dec 2013 #52
dramatically reduced emission vehicles are irrelevent until the existing fleet is largely replaced magical thyme Dec 2013 #54
Paragraphs are our friend. CFLDem Dec 2013 #55
I used to criticize the format rather than the content too... but then I learned how to read better. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #67
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #39
Irishman to Noah: "'tis only a shower." Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #41
“We’ve Never Been Here as a Species” Rex Dec 2013 #42
You've attracted the Corporate Chorus, nice. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #43
Yup, isn't that special... countryjake Dec 2013 #45
Or rather, the "humanity is doomed, we cannot survive, give in" meme. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #71
The Republicon Lie Machine and their SuckerPuppets can lie about reality till their money runs out Berlum Dec 2013 #53
so what about the other pole? n/t ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2013 #56
The other pole is also losing ice mass NickB79 Dec 2013 #59
Kick Auggie Dec 2013 #63
What would happen to the sea level if ALL the ice were to melt? ryan_cats Dec 2013 #68
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