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In reply to the discussion: The Coming 'Instant Planetary Emergency'. [View all]NickB79
(19,246 posts)35. Damn fearmongering US Navy climate scientists
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/dec/09/us-navy-arctic-sea-ice-2016-melt
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An ongoing US Department of Energy-backed research project led by a US Navy scientist predicts that the Arctic could lose its summer sea ice cover as early as 2016 - 84 years ahead of conventional model projections.
The project, based out of the US Naval Postgraduate School's Department of Oceanography, uses complex modelling techniques that make its projections more accurate than others.
The project, based out of the US Naval Postgraduate School's Department of Oceanography, uses complex modelling techniques that make its projections more accurate than others.
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The paper is highly critical of global climate models (GCM) and even the majority of regional models, noting that "many Arctic climatic processes that are omitted from, or poorly represented in, most current-generation GCMs" which "do not account for important feedbacks among various system components." There is therefore "a great need for improved understanding and model representation of physical processes and interactions specific to polar regions that currently might not be fully accounted for or are missing in GCMs."
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Melting permafrost will pump tons of methane into the air. Methane is a very potent GH gas.
alfredo
Dec 2013
#3
ironicaly amusing if an ice-free shipping zone opens up on the Siberian side and not the NA side
nilram
Dec 2013
#7
Good source. It also allows for a much clearer answer for those that have trouble understanding
grantcart
Dec 2013
#47
And a lot of this "the findings are all getting worse, all the time" stuff is hooey as well.....
AverageJoe90
Dec 2013
#30
Something that would shade to the right, controlled degree, the upper atmosphere
Ghost Dog
Dec 2013
#32
I graduated from one of the first multi-disciplinary environmental science courses
Ghost Dog
Dec 2013
#66
All I know is I was very happy to see Stephen Colbert tear David Keith a new one.
truedelphi
Dec 2013
#37
And honestly, I do wonder how much climate doomerism may play into such fantasies...................
AverageJoe90
Dec 2013
#72
No. Any "technological breakthrough" will only create a new set of problems
magical thyme
Dec 2013
#49
"STFU. We don't want to hear no steenkin truth. Sneer." - RepubliBaggers, Inc. (R)
Berlum
Dec 2013
#18
Yes they have a track record but it has been on the conservative side as you stated.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#57
You do realize I had that in *quotes*, right? As in....with an element of sarcasm?
AverageJoe90
Dec 2013
#61
dramatically reduced emission vehicles are irrelevent until the existing fleet is largely replaced
magical thyme
Dec 2013
#54
I used to criticize the format rather than the content too... but then I learned how to read better.
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#67