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In reply to the discussion: "Pope doesn't come over to where you work and slap Jamie Dimon's dick out of your mouth." [View all]2naSalit
(86,634 posts)81. Actually
the major flaw is that Darwin made no such proclamation as you ascribe to him...
I'm taking this from Wiki only because it's in digital form but there are many other written citations that say, basically, the same thing:
Evolutionary social movements... Darwin's fame and popularity led to his name being associated with ideas and movements which at times had only an indirect relation to his writings, and sometimes went directly against his express comments.
Thomas Malthus had argued that population growth beyond resources was ordained by God to get humans to work productively and show restraint in getting families, this was used in the 1830s to justify workhouses and laissez-faire economics.[170] Evolution was by then seen as having social implications, and Herbert Spencer's 1851 book Social Statics based ideas of human freedom and individual liberties on his Lamarckian evolutionary theory.[171]
Soon after the Origin was published in 1859, critics derided his description of a struggle for existence as a Malthusian justification for the English industrial capitalism of the time. The term Darwinism was used for the evolutionary ideas of others, including Spencer's "survival of the fittest" as free-market progress, and Ernst Haeckel's racist ideas of human development. Writers used natural selection to argue for various, often contradictory, ideologies such as laissez-faire dog-eat dog capitalism, racism, warfare, colonialism and imperialism. However, Darwin's holistic view of nature included "dependence of one being on another"; thus pacifists, socialists, liberal social reformers and anarchists such as Peter Kropotkin stressed the value of co-operation over struggle within a species.[172] Darwin himself insisted that social policy should not simply be guided by concepts of struggle and selection in nature.[173]
After the 1880s a eugenics movement developed on ideas of biological inheritance, and for scientific justification of their ideas appealed to some concepts of Darwinism. In Britain, most shared Darwin's cautious views on voluntary improvement and sought to encourage those with good traits in "positive eugenics". During the "Eclipse of Darwinism" a scientific foundation for eugenics was provided by Mendelian genetics. Negative eugenics to remove the "feebleminded" were popular in America, Canada and Australia, and eugenics in the United States introduced compulsory sterilization laws, followed by several other countries. Subsequently, Nazi eugenics brought the field into disrepute.[V]
The term "Social Darwinism" was used infrequently from around the 1890s, but became popular as a derogatory term in the 1940s when used by Richard Hofstadter to attack the laissez-faire conservatism of those like William Graham Sumner who opposed reform and socialism. Since then it has been used as a term of abuse by those opposed to what they think are the moral consequences of evolution.[174][170]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin#Inception_of_Darwin.27s_evolutionary_theory
Thomas Malthus had argued that population growth beyond resources was ordained by God to get humans to work productively and show restraint in getting families, this was used in the 1830s to justify workhouses and laissez-faire economics.[170] Evolution was by then seen as having social implications, and Herbert Spencer's 1851 book Social Statics based ideas of human freedom and individual liberties on his Lamarckian evolutionary theory.[171]
Soon after the Origin was published in 1859, critics derided his description of a struggle for existence as a Malthusian justification for the English industrial capitalism of the time. The term Darwinism was used for the evolutionary ideas of others, including Spencer's "survival of the fittest" as free-market progress, and Ernst Haeckel's racist ideas of human development. Writers used natural selection to argue for various, often contradictory, ideologies such as laissez-faire dog-eat dog capitalism, racism, warfare, colonialism and imperialism. However, Darwin's holistic view of nature included "dependence of one being on another"; thus pacifists, socialists, liberal social reformers and anarchists such as Peter Kropotkin stressed the value of co-operation over struggle within a species.[172] Darwin himself insisted that social policy should not simply be guided by concepts of struggle and selection in nature.[173]
After the 1880s a eugenics movement developed on ideas of biological inheritance, and for scientific justification of their ideas appealed to some concepts of Darwinism. In Britain, most shared Darwin's cautious views on voluntary improvement and sought to encourage those with good traits in "positive eugenics". During the "Eclipse of Darwinism" a scientific foundation for eugenics was provided by Mendelian genetics. Negative eugenics to remove the "feebleminded" were popular in America, Canada and Australia, and eugenics in the United States introduced compulsory sterilization laws, followed by several other countries. Subsequently, Nazi eugenics brought the field into disrepute.[V]
The term "Social Darwinism" was used infrequently from around the 1890s, but became popular as a derogatory term in the 1940s when used by Richard Hofstadter to attack the laissez-faire conservatism of those like William Graham Sumner who opposed reform and socialism. Since then it has been used as a term of abuse by those opposed to what they think are the moral consequences of evolution.[174][170]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin#Inception_of_Darwin.27s_evolutionary_theory
I know that it is misrepresented all the time but it should not be allowed to persist. I find the same issue with malicious political agendas being ascribed to Niccolo Machiavelli as well. He was an observer and wrote about what he saw world leaders do and how they behaved in their positions and wrote about it only to be accused of all kinds of stuff for exposing what the elite did that was not acceptable in terms of humanity. He didn't make that shit up, other people did and he outed them.
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"Pope doesn't come over to where you work and slap Jamie Dimon's dick out of your mouth." [View all]
rufus dog
Dec 2013
OP
I left the computer for a few hours and only saw this now.. just so you know
Voice for Peace
Dec 2013
#30
They'd get their servants to sweep it up and sell it to a coal fired power plant.
MADem
Dec 2013
#17
More like a national disgrace. Why does no one picket, demonstrate against, occupy, these abusers?
freshwest
Dec 2013
#77
Same reason Occupy couldn't protest in front of the Stock Exchange. It's all private property.
Spitfire of ATJ
Dec 2013
#82
Well kinda. The sidewalks aren't private property. No one seems to protest these guys and
freshwest
Dec 2013
#85
Love it! Love it! Love it! I hope the network doesn't try to force him to apologize.
mucifer
Dec 2013
#21
Thank you, and Jon Stewart. Conservatives are clearly proud of being evil, murderous, greedy scum.
Zorra
Dec 2013
#29
Loved this! I had to interrupt my laughing out loud to explain to mr z who jamie dimon is
me b zola
Dec 2013
#46
I will forever remember Dimon as the dog who barked "Everyone should always pay their mortgage"
Kurovski
Dec 2013
#47
It has everything to do with capitalism and nothing to do with automation
Fortinbras Armstrong
Dec 2013
#100
" I'm sure at this point you are no longer interested in a conversation."
Fortinbras Armstrong
Dec 2013
#106
actually, I've always thought an Aussie accent sounds like a mixture of Brit and American
Skittles
Dec 2013
#71
Kudlow rambles on about what a hot little Catholic he is and how he "adores" the pope.
Kurovski
Dec 2013
#86
It's a common response to hecklers in the comedy biz, and has been for 40 years or more
alcibiades_mystery
Dec 2013
#98