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freshwest

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72. You're welcome to steal any or all of it. The ideas and results matter, not sources or labels, IMO.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 05:01 PM
Dec 2013

But to clarify, I also don't support the 'No Label' movement that was used to peel off Democrats, with false claims that 'both parties are the same.' That's the Libertarian party mantra to make themselves higher than the two major parties. It is not serious thinking, it's self serving, deliberating misleading, dishonest and intellectual laziness.

I'm talking about the meanings. There was a quote from years ago, but I didn't file the exact wording. It read, in my own words.

'Do not seek to imitate the answers your fathers found when seeking the truth (god, reality, etc.) and accept it as the last word on the subject. Seek instead, what they sought.'

That intent disposes of dogmas and parroting. Ideology is great for gathering a group. But individuals in that group need to remember that the group is not the end or the solution. It's just the beginning.

FDR had many failures but kept trying. He said, 'It is common sense to take a method and try it. If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.' This is what I see in Obama, that same method, applied to our time and circumstances. Many of the people that supported FDR and the New Deal would be anathema to the Democratic Party of today, partcularly those who believe in equality for all.



Another one from FDR, 'The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.'

This is the core of Obamacare. The complaints come from those who have much, and the praise from those who have had too little for too long.

For persistent naysayers, so quick to criticize, FDR said, 'The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today. Let us move forward with strong and active faith.' Obama is an idealist, not an ideologue.

Skepticism taken to the extreme is a dead end road, as well as some of the conspiracy language. 'It's all hopeless, all pre-ordained, unless something comes to save us.' To which I say nothing is that way and no one is coming to save you.

That is how I see the phrase, 'We are the ones we have been waiting for.' The source of it is the Hopi Elders and it means much more than what I say.

Cynicism always supports the status quo no matter what label it wears. Those advantaged by the status quo will tear down every attempt to change it, and call themselves wise or principled, like Nader was, unwilling to 'settle for less than the best.' Those in dire straits aren't afforded such a luxury, and are called names for not having lofty goals. But survival is good enough to have the chance to make a better future.

Yet another quote, since I love FDR so well, think of this process, 'Happiness lies in the joy of achievement and the thrill of creative effort.' Instead of sitting back and living in the past that we scarely know, a future we can only guess, and ignoring those around us.

Feel free to steal at leisure. To attempt to own a thought or words, is to deny that many of our thoughts are shared and should be as freely returned to others as they gave them to us, JHMO.

I can't tell if all of DU is infested with shit-stirrers, really bored or really drunk... Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #1
That scab is there because the wound never healed. riqster Dec 2013 #5
Short of time travel, how do we "deal with it?" Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #7
Actually, we agree. riqster Dec 2013 #9
Actually, I think the best way to deal with it ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #44
If the Democratic Party gives us a liberal candidate to support ... Laelth Dec 2013 #71
Not sure about that. riqster Dec 2013 #79
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #94
Well put. riqster Dec 2013 #101
And THAT ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #111
I don't see it as having lost. riqster Dec 2013 #113
That's because ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #114
Which is why these threads are necessary. riqster Dec 2013 #115
Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #116
Absolutely. riqster Dec 2013 #118
But it's NOT ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #90
Americans under 30 have a more favorable opinion of socialism than of capitalism. Laelth Dec 2013 #93
They will figure that out ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #96
I think the current Party establishment has a strong incentive ... Laelth Dec 2013 #97
Politicians are (largely) two things ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #99
I agree with your assessment about the nature of politicians. Laelth Dec 2013 #100
1StrongBlackMan keeps talking about PRIMARIES and you keep ignoring that Jim Lane Dec 2013 #120
Admittedly, I ignore the argument that primaries are valid. Laelth Dec 2013 #121
Hmmmmm. If the facts don't support them, why do they fit? nt el_bryanto Dec 2013 #2
Probably because I am such a contumacious SOB. nt riqster Dec 2013 #6
Yah. He said it here: MineralMan Dec 2013 #3
A critique from October 2000. riqster Dec 2013 #8
You know the drill.... libodem Dec 2013 #4
Since Nader is running (sarcasm) nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #10
The reason it COULD be stolen was the margin. riqster Dec 2013 #12
Explain all those elderly Jews voting for Buchanan nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #14
Math dictates otherwise. riqster Dec 2013 #16
Yup, why you keep ignoring nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #18
The fact is, you cannot put everything you care about into a single post. riqster Dec 2013 #21
As I said, experts in political science and history I have spoken to nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #24
See post 21, where I did define it. riqster Dec 2013 #30
What part of it does not matter are you purposely missing nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #36
The part which you just reposted. riqster Dec 2013 #43
You defined nothing, and you know why? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #49
So, you're OK with helping Republicans defeat Democrats, riqster Dec 2013 #52
You read that as you will nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #75
Once again, you mistake omission with lack of concern. riqster Dec 2013 #81
I said, you need to learn how to read nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #85
Oh, I read it all right. I just disagree. riqster Dec 2013 #87
Since you are comparing an illegal act with a legal act nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #88
one glaring fact that is NEVER addressed G_j Dec 2013 #23
Oh absolutely nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #25
Got facts to support that claim? riqster Dec 2013 #28
for starters G_j Dec 2013 #35
That proves that the Caucus and the minority community were fucked over. riqster Dec 2013 #38
The Great Florida Ex-Con Game G_j Dec 2013 #41
Also a factor. In fact, Rick Scott is trying to do it again. riqster Dec 2013 #45
I don't see why G_j Dec 2013 #47
You forget this, though: nyquil_man Dec 2013 #42
Oh, no argument there. riqster Dec 2013 #46
I just don't have a whole lot of use for Nader as a candidate. nyquil_man Dec 2013 #50
yet throughout this thread, you fail to address the culpability of 200,000+ registered dems.. frylock Dec 2013 #92
Because you can't cover everything in a single post. riqster Dec 2013 #104
nader was the least of the issues leading up to that theft.. frylock Dec 2013 #119
The Democrats are and have been trying to address most of the issues that caused the 2000 theft Gothmog Dec 2013 #126
You are of course familiar with the report issued on that Sept 11 nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #130
Yes, Al Gore was the real winner of 2000 elections Gothmog Dec 2013 #132
+1 progressoid Dec 2013 #20
Katherine Harris KamaAina Dec 2013 #62
Are they related? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #77
I seriously doubt it KamaAina Dec 2013 #78
I doubt it too nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #80
I am compelled to agree with you. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #129
Good article Gothmog Dec 2013 #11
And let's not forget Iraq. Iraq would never have happened under Al Gore, but some fell for the... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #32
A great deal would be different Gothmog Dec 2013 #58
He and his supporters have blood on their hands. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #64
If the Democrats want the votes of the left it should trying to appeal to the left. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #13
This. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #15
Nader didn't just run FOR Liberal votes. riqster Dec 2013 #17
And, the Democrats who voted for Dubya far outnumbered the Nader voters. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #54
The point is, be honest. riqster Dec 2013 #57
Democrats accept support from Republicans every election. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #59
With the avowed intent of getting Bush elected. nt riqster Dec 2013 #61
And, that's why voters voted for him? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #63
Each of us is accountable for our own actions. riqster Dec 2013 #65
He's also responsible for letting the Democratic party know it has a left wing to contend with. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #67
A left wing of the party should be paid attention to. riqster Dec 2013 #105
You may be right...the party is still ignoring the left and running right. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #110
avowed intent would be nader saying "i'm doing this to get bush elected" frylock Dec 2013 #95
Read more of the source material. He said it. riqster Dec 2013 #103
I get real sick of people trying to rewrite history. CorrectOfCenter Dec 2013 #19
Is there evidence he's even running? nyquil_man Dec 2013 #22
Someone else who would do what Nader did. riqster Dec 2013 #27
When this Naderesque generic has a name, I'll worry. nyquil_man Dec 2013 #31
We'll probably see a repeat of this one: Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #34
People still cast ballots for Ralph? Arkana Dec 2013 #26
No, but his disciples pop up like dung heap mushrooms after a rain every cycle. riqster Dec 2013 #33
Am I the only one who doesn't read the Nader threads? Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #29
It's trolly, that kind of Nader-touting shit. Plus, the guy is pushing eighty. MADem Dec 2013 #37
LMAO! You're still compelled to evade the blame and makes excuses for Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #39
Another post that does not address the OP. riqster Dec 2013 #51
Sad and pathetic. Gore won the election as well, how'd that work out? Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #53
I am not prepared to accept the betrayal of Nader. riqster Dec 2013 #55
There was no betrayal, Nader is not a Democrat. The ubiquitous selective memory Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #66
+1, well put. Marr Dec 2013 #102
Substitute "Left" for "Democratic", if you prefer. riqster Dec 2013 #123
No, the Democratic Party fucked our shit up, by first failing to earn enough votes and then, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #127
Uh-huh. riqster Dec 2013 #128
That's absolutely not what I said and you know it. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #134
If you support Nader's actions, my statement is a reasonable one. riqster Dec 2013 #135
HIs statement here is my answer to dilettantes who blithely call for destroying everything: freshwest Dec 2013 #40
Damn. This should be an OP. riqster Dec 2013 #48
You're welcome to steal any or all of it. The ideas and results matter, not sources or labels, IMO. freshwest Dec 2013 #72
Do you blog? riqster Dec 2013 #74
I've been asked to, but have no interest in learning another format and need to do other things. freshwest Dec 2013 #84
Billy Gibbons said something similar. riqster Dec 2013 #86
If only some Florida Dems would not have become traitors and voted for Bush Rex Dec 2013 #56
Ah yes, Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #60
And Nader had a vested interest in the Rethugs being elected, pnwmom Dec 2013 #68
I can't believe there are DUers who are still defending Nader. WTF?? Avalux Dec 2013 #69
Great post. sagat Dec 2013 #70
And one whose TOS calls for electing DEMS. riqster Dec 2013 #73
bluntandcranky is giving The People's View a run for its money whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #76
Really? There is something worse than The Peoples Spew? Rex Dec 2013 #82
Nope, all Nader did was pretend to be a liberal while he helped Bush steal elections. riqster Dec 2013 #122
You got your 'two minutes of hate' out of this thread. Rex Dec 2013 #124
I certainly got a lot of hate from the Nader contingent. riqster Dec 2013 #125
At least I know how to use an apostrophe. riqster Dec 2013 #83
you should be real proud frylock Dec 2013 #98
About Nader (and the Green Party in general), Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #89
I'm thinking the second option for some, the first for all too many. nt riqster Dec 2013 #108
Nader is as old as the crust on Rush Limbaugh's underwear. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #91
Both are toxic, even in small doses. nt riqster Dec 2013 #109
almost 40,000 people voted for someone other than bush, gore or nader in fl. gore lost by 154 KG Dec 2013 #106
But it makes for a good narrative in black and white. Celefin Dec 2013 #117
Fuck Nadir! BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #107
I am not a fan of Nader. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #112
You want "blunt and cranky?" 1000words Dec 2013 #131
That is your right. riqster Dec 2013 #133
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