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freshwest

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64. A Large PIcture of a Healthy Pacific Northwest Elk Herd:
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 10:56 PM
Nov 2013


But they, the deer and bears are terribly stressed by suburbia. At one time there was enough farmland and timber land for them to co-exist. Now the folks moving in from out of state don't want any native plants that wildlife feeds upon. They clear cut the land and plant grass and nothing else. They never go out, they live inside.

The elk and deer used to walk right up to you, or be relaxed and unworried if you took a picture of them in a stream by the roads. But the last time I saw any, they were terrified, thin, dehydrated, chased out of the last slivers wooded acreage by coyotes.

It was refreshing to the soul my first few years, but now when one walks the woods, instead of people treating these areas with respect as they used to do, they dump household garbage and junk cars out there.

Sad stuff, being separated from nature. I notice too that yards are no longer kept up for the lovely native plants, ferns, etc. but are being trimmed to look like poodle trees or whatever in a video game. People seem to have no idea what makes anything grow. Makes me sick.

Just thought you guys would enjoy that picture, too. Are they not amazingly beautiful?

Didja get your deer? mainer Nov 2013 #1
And a beautiful animal was killed for what? upaloopa Nov 2013 #4
Deer meat fed my nieces and nephews for several years, there, when times were lean. MADem Nov 2013 #8
To eat. MicaelS Nov 2013 #10
I disagree arely staircase Dec 2013 #142
It's a matter of taste (pun intended). MicaelS Dec 2013 #144
It depends on how the meat is handled between shot and pot. oneshooter Dec 2013 #147
Maybe in order to try to prevent over-population of deer from eating all the enough Nov 2013 #11
Have had PA deer via a friend from PA now in Maine. GREAT STUFF. Have also had Indiana deer. GREAT. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #25
Are you a vegetarian? If not, lots are "killed for what". If so, your choice. Not the majority, RBInMaine Nov 2013 #18
did you get a deer, here in virginia its crawling with them kinda hard not to get them tjere is so loli phabay Nov 2013 #23
No, but is was still great being out. Have had LOTS of deer mean in my time from friends and RBInMaine Nov 2013 #26
i get a lot from roadkill as its easy to harvest and less effort than dragging it out of the woods loli phabay Nov 2013 #28
My hometown area in Maine is a no-hunting zone so TOO MANY DEER. Constantly getting hit by cars. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #34
thats what happens here as well, i have a few lots of land that i can hunt and friends who own farms loli phabay Nov 2013 #42
Ya, that's the best. I go with people who know people with large tracts of land. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #55
Yes I am a vegetarian and Buddhist upaloopa Nov 2013 #63
I respect that. How does even the most environmentally-sensitive agriculture Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #72
I contribute to killing too. There is no perfection upaloopa Nov 2013 #81
Good for you. Your choice. Please don't be too judgmental on others. Hunting is an ages-old RBInMaine Dec 2013 #102
One could argue LWolf Nov 2013 #56
Dear cary ticks... iandhr Nov 2013 #61
Deer multiply like bunnies. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #67
And a beautiful animal was killed for what? yeoman6987 Dec 2013 #87
Food. It is all the rage with the kids these days. Rex Dec 2013 #95
The hunt is the key tool in herd size management here in Wisconsin, with ~ 400,000 deer ... Scuba Dec 2013 #104
+1,000 nt MADem Dec 2013 #178
to prevent this arely staircase Dec 2013 #143
not all deer are "beautiful", this poor creature hasn't had a date in years! snooper2 Dec 2013 #182
oit here in rural va you cant see a deer thats roadkill without the tenderloin salvaged loli phabay Nov 2013 #13
No, but it was still great being out in the woods. Have had lots of deer meat in my time. Yum. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #21
I could not kill one upaloopa Nov 2013 #2
Someone has to, though. MADem Nov 2013 #6
That's because people have reduced their grazing area. upaloopa Nov 2013 #7
OK, you first--move out of your home, raze it to the ground, and return it to forest land. MADem Nov 2013 #9
this. loli phabay Nov 2013 #24
I think you need to study the natural history of deer. enough Nov 2013 #12
Indeed. "Creatures of the edge." There are more on woodland edges than in woods proper. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #14
Same with people. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #29
Deer lived without man and were preyed upon upaloopa Nov 2013 #65
Interesting, your "European" caveat, since Native Americans... Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #70
Hyperbolic. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #22
Sometimes... pipi_k Nov 2013 #79
wrong. Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #84
The IUCN conservation status of the two most common deer species found in North totodeinhere Dec 2013 #168
Deer do not graze. maced666 Dec 2013 #174
Hunters are regulated hurd managers and ardent environmentalists. No land, no hunting. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #106
Well 2naSalit Dec 2013 #155
No. It's not rhetoric. And I don't hunt. MADem Dec 2013 #175
Interesting 2naSalit Dec 2013 #183
I think perhaps you need to attend to the beam in your eye! MADem Dec 2013 #184
You've obviously missed my point. 2naSalit Dec 2013 #187
And you've missed mine. MADem Dec 2013 #189
The hurds become huge in some areas. Some starve in the winter. Many hit by cars. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #19
I go all the way up 95 to Aroostook County, and I keep a weather eye out at this time of year, as MADem Nov 2013 #33
Oh, way up in "THE COUNTY." Ever see a Moose? RBInMaine Nov 2013 #43
I sure as hell have--dead AND alive--and once on the damn highway, too! MADem Nov 2013 #47
Herd. A HERETIC I AM Dec 2013 #154
I see a lot of deer where I live too and have no interest in hunting Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #40
yup, best meat is free meat. loli phabay Nov 2013 #44
It's not really free. LWolf Nov 2013 #59
over the years the cost gets less, eventually its just the tag cost and cost of a round loli phabay Nov 2013 #62
My cost for venison range slightly over $2/lb. Beats beef. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #74
Many of these hurds must be managed or they starve. And again, it is about much more than "killiing" RBInMaine Dec 2013 #105
hoping to hit a hunting lot tomorrow, going after rabbits loli phabay Nov 2013 #3
Jeez, how big is your freezer? Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #16
well we got two chest freezers and one stand up freezer in the garage for food loli phabay Nov 2013 #17
I've done LOTS of fishing in my time, fresh and salt water. Nothing is better than fried trout. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #27
for me its yellow perch broiled with lemon, i so love it. dont do as much sea fishing nowadays loli phabay Nov 2013 #32
Flounder is awesome. Canadian relatives used to catch a dozen on a tide with a tidal line. AWESOME. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #35
when younger we used the lines buried at the low tide mark loli phabay Nov 2013 #39
Interesting. My relatives just used a line and checked it at low tide. The Bay of Fundy has the RBInMaine Nov 2013 #48
might be the same technique, the lines are tied to wood or a brick then its buried in the sand loli phabay Nov 2013 #51
My grandmother had a small cottage on the Maine coast. After a good storm, she'd send us kids down pinto Dec 2013 #94
My brother and I would get up early in AM and get mussels off reefs at low tide and have them for RBInMaine Dec 2013 #101
You ought to try moose meat. GOOD ! RBInMaine Nov 2013 #37
had it, but not many around here lol, best meat is free meat loli phabay Nov 2013 #41
Ah, good. Yup, I have gotten meat from hunting partners luckier than me, friends, and relatives. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #45
we tend to help each other out, if someone cant get out to hunt or does not get anything loli phabay Nov 2013 #46
Yup, and hunting groups often share the bounty no matter who gets lucky, as we do up here. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #49
yeah i think thats a common.theme wherever you hunt. loli phabay Nov 2013 #52
No hunting, no guns, but I have relatives who hunt deer....and I think Maine is a great state! MADem Nov 2013 #5
Thanks. I have LONG and DEEP connections to MA. Ancestors and family from there, lived there, etc. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #50
Once upon a time, MA and ME were one state! MADem Nov 2013 #58
Masshole sounds like physics. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #77
Hee hee! Well, we do have MIT on the Cambridge side of the Charles!!! nt MADem Dec 2013 #91
Some states develop good customs around hunting. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #15
We hunt the big woods and along adjacent fields. Many BIG deer, but LOTS of ground. Have MOOSE RBInMaine Nov 2013 #30
Lots of shooting in the forest around my place. longship Nov 2013 #20
I hear it is a big deal up in the U.P. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #31
Yup! All the Finns up dere take it seriously. longship Nov 2013 #38
I love that "Rusty Chevrolet" song by "Da Yoopers". Too funny. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #54
All the Chevies are rusty up dere. ;-) nt longship Nov 2013 #57
I love that "Rusty Chevrolet" song by "Da Yoopers". Too funny. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #114
Look for the movie Escanaba in da Moonlight. xmas74 Dec 2013 #158
here in the mountains of va its like the battle of the bulge loli phabay Nov 2013 #36
Got a turkey 4 seasons ago in Uvalde Co. while hunting deer. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #66
Not a hunter, but since Labor Day, we've been hitting the mushrooms hard. opiate69 Nov 2013 #53
yup shrooming is fun too, though i am the only one who eats them. loli phabay Nov 2013 #60
I make a risotto with lobster mushrooms that'll make anybody a believer! opiate69 Nov 2013 #73
My mother and step father have done that in the past. Great SHROOMS to eat all around in Maine. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #103
I'm a coward. Love mushrooms but afraid to forage for them mainer Dec 2013 #113
A Large PIcture of a Healthy Pacific Northwest Elk Herd: freshwest Nov 2013 #64
Just last weekend, me and my buddy were out on Harstine Island. opiate69 Nov 2013 #82
Years ago, I did some mountain climbing in deep snow. Only got to 10K, though. When we rested, the freshwest Dec 2013 #86
Very cool. opiate69 Dec 2013 #88
Oh yes. All these animals are beautiful. Hunters are among the most ardent environmentalists there RBInMaine Dec 2013 #100
I love deer hunting season......... 4bucksagallon Nov 2013 #68
I with ya. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #78
You know it! Had a VG dove season, and now in deer season. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #80
gross. ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #69
What's gross? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #75
I wonder if they have a "great time" doing that Skittles Dec 2013 #83
To answer your question, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #118
Good point. freshwest Dec 2013 #89
I was stopped on our road today because elk hunters were craning a corpse out of the canyon w/ ropes Coyotl Nov 2013 #71
I used to bow hunt but gave it up for a camera. Bonhomme Richard Nov 2013 #76
Wildlife photography is great. I only believe in game hunting for food, not trophy hunting. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #109
One from this morning Bonhomme Richard Dec 2013 #145
He looks a little pissed off. n/t oneshooter Dec 2013 #148
Just a bit. I was interrupting his breakfast. n/t Bonhomme Richard Dec 2013 #150
Beautiful pic. opiate69 Dec 2013 #151
That is the only way animals should be shot, with a camera. RebelOne Dec 2013 #188
I watched 5 deer walk right through my front yard today. They were beautiful. liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #85
I don't want to kill anything anymore mynaturalrights Dec 2013 #90
Egos and apologies intact. flvegan Dec 2013 #92
yeah better to kill them with chevy or ford, or have fun watching them starve. loli phabay Dec 2013 #93
Your attitude is rather rude and elitist. I guess you are a vegetarian, right? If not, end the RBInMaine Dec 2013 #98
Holy shit, really? That daft, huh? Did you see the username? flvegan Dec 2013 #173
In a perfect world, the Deer would be armed with high powered rifles solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #107
+1 darkangel218 Dec 2013 #159
factory bred chickens are so much better are they not. loli phabay Dec 2013 #161
Look I get some things....................... MFM008 Dec 2013 #96
You can't go shooting up anything. This is hyperbolic. There are all kinds of rules. Don't like RBInMaine Dec 2013 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author MFM008 Dec 2013 #177
Shooting the place up? Our group in S. Texas takes five deer/yr Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #110
You go right ahead and eat that Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #119
"Shooting the place up..."?????? ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #128
I meant MFM008 Dec 2013 #176
If you want to shove that factory farmed, chemically filled meat Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #181
Enjoy the meals. We were gifted with a large piece of an elk one year.... Hekate Dec 2013 #97
Agreed. I am not for trophy hunting. That's just BS. I am talking about game hunting for food. Also RBInMaine Dec 2013 #108
South Carolina has a lot of wrecks involving deer. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2013 #111
We have taken two this weekend madville Dec 2013 #112
Interesting. What state are you in? RBInMaine Dec 2013 #115
Florida madville Dec 2013 #156
Is there any way to undo a "flame"? No need to flame this post. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #116
There's always those that are going to flame hunters, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #122
LOL, you should change your handle to 'ProHunting' nt Logical Dec 2013 #160
Why? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #171
Or defending cops? n-t Logical Dec 2013 #172
Defending good cops, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #180
No, I like seeing your posts! nt Logical Dec 2013 #186
If you want to avoid flames, put your hunting threads in the Outdoor Life group. Paladin Dec 2013 #123
yep Enrique Dec 2013 #169
I'm with you, RB. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #117
We have to cut up my son's deer today. ileus Dec 2013 #120
Good parents! Your son will always appreciate that. mainer Dec 2013 #127
I don't hunt, but I am what some would call an outdoorsman. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #121
I've enjoyed & understood animals more through hunting. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #185
If you don't need to hunt for survival agent46 Dec 2013 #124
Well stated. (nt) Paladin Dec 2013 #125
If someone is going to eat meat I'd rather they at least occasionally administer the death. alphafemale Dec 2013 #126
+1000. If you are going to eat it, you need to be involved more than plastic wrapped food uppityperson Dec 2013 #153
I'm sorry, but that's just bullshit. Paladin Dec 2013 #157
If you used to be a hunter, then you have been involved. Not sure why you are sorry. uppityperson Dec 2013 #162
"I'm sorry" was used as an introductory figure of speech. Paladin Dec 2013 #163
Indeed. Since you seem to want to take offense what you have done, then you are right. uppityperson Dec 2013 #164
Killing something you raised from a baby is even harder. alphafemale Dec 2013 #167
Just not guilt a person who actively particpates in the death that needs be for their to be meat. alphafemale Dec 2013 #165
Yep Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #129
Why can't we do both? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #130
out of season i dont do photos, never seen the attraction of pictures of deer, mayby one or so loli phabay Dec 2013 #132
I don't mean just deer, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #133
not into photographing any wildlife, i guess i already know what they look like loli phabay Dec 2013 #140
I can't eat photos! CFLDem Dec 2013 #131
In many areas deer populations need to be reduced in order to stop starvation totodeinhere Dec 2013 #170
I couldn't do it. I don't know, even if I were starving. I don't think I could. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #134
Then you prefer others to do your killing for you. n/t oneshooter Dec 2013 #135
no, I don't eat them. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #136
Are you a vegan? oneshooter Dec 2013 #149
no, I don't hire out my killing. I kill my own food. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #166
better defend the entertainment one receives from killing. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #137
This year was a first for me wercal Dec 2013 #138
To rid of ticks, get guinea fowl! mainer Dec 2013 #139
We used to have chickens for their eggs wercal Dec 2013 #141
Guineas roost in the trees, so may be less vulnerable mainer Dec 2013 #146
Good to know...I may have to check them out. wercal Dec 2013 #152
Got to be thankful for being the apex predator. Rex Dec 2013 #179
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