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pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 04:48 PM Nov 2013

Things I don't miss about old-fashioned, Norman Rockwell era Thanksgivings. [View all]

Women doing all the cooking and clean-up, except that one man's job was to carve the turkey.

Racist and sexist jokes around the dinner table.

Too much alcohol in general and someone actually drunk.

Cigarette smoke to inhale before and after dinner. Sometimes pipes and cigars.

Children who were supposed to be seen and not heard.

Gay people who were not supposed to be seen or heard.

No, I'm not pining for an old-fashioned Thanksgiving, now that I think about it.

ON EDIT:

Norman Rockwell knew the other side of Thanksgiving in that era -- he just chose not to paint it.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2009/11/norman-rockwell-200911

Maybe as I grew up and found that the world wasn’t the perfectly pleasant place I had thought it to be I unconsciously decided that, even if it wasn’t an ideal world, it should be and so painted only the ideal aspects of it—pictures in which there were no drunken slatterns or self-centered mothers, in which, on the contrary, there were only Foxy Grandpas who played baseball with the kids and boys [who] fished from logs and got up circuses in the back yard.…

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Notice anything unusual about this picture? BlueStreak Nov 2013 #1
What about the one with the little black girl walking to school or church Jetboy Nov 2013 #2
I am not good at linking but the picture can be found. Jetboy Nov 2013 #3
That picture was of the little girl during segregation when she had to be escorted into a school monmouth3 Nov 2013 #4
This? nyquil_man Nov 2013 #7
Thanks. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #10
The girl in the picture is Ruby Bridges, and years later she got to see Tanuki Nov 2013 #30
Yes, that's another difference for many of us. pnwmom Nov 2013 #5
How about this one ThoughtCriminal Nov 2013 #6
There's also this: nyquil_man Nov 2013 #8
Damn. I love Norman Rockwell's art Victor_c3 Nov 2013 #9
I don't see how people with straight, reddish hair can be read as racially ambiguous. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #18
I don't understand your post. Are you suggesting that the people in this picture were NOT Number23 Nov 2013 #19
Norman Rockwell has some great paintings about Civil Rights, but in this pic both are White JI7 Nov 2013 #20
We never had Thanksgivings like those... cynatnite Nov 2013 #11
Me neither Major Nikon Nov 2013 #13
Only one of those I saw was the first and escaped that fate by hanging out with the men. freshwest Nov 2013 #12
Boy, old Thanksgivings are bad. New ones with shopping frowned upon. maced666 Nov 2013 #14
Not too long ago, someone started an OP suggesting that Charles Shulz was racist... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #17
of all the threads here Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #28
Yeah, that was a DU low point. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #39
Nonsense. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #15
LOL. If you think there are no gay people anywhere in your extended family pnwmom Nov 2013 #24
I knew you'd pounce on that. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #38
I love the smell of someone smoking a cigar Freddie Nov 2013 #16
people still get Drunk, i'm sure Racist and Sexist Jokes are still heard at many JI7 Nov 2013 #21
Does anyone know what this one is about ? JI7 Nov 2013 #22
I would say that the lady just got thrown from a horse, Tanuki Nov 2013 #33
Rockwell did TOO depict gays! Aristus Nov 2013 #23
Norman Rockwell was a strong progressive who supported FDR and Civil Rights. Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #25
Thanks for the info. He did have some pictures pnwmom Nov 2013 #26
Yes. It's a big reason he left the The Saturday Evening Post... Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #27
Actually, Rockwell's Four Freedoms first appeared in the Saturday Evening Post Tanuki Nov 2013 #29
His Four Freedoms picture depicted a very sanitized Thanksgiving, pnwmom Nov 2013 #31
Idealized, not sanitized REP Nov 2013 #32
Were members openly gay when you were a child in the 60's? pnwmom Nov 2013 #34
One interesting thing about Rockwell DemocraticWing Nov 2013 #35
Interesting. Welcome to DU, DemocraticWing! n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #36
This past Summer, Smithsonian magazine published an DonViejo Nov 2013 #37
That would fit with another article I read. His own family life, pnwmom Nov 2013 #41
No perfect childhood - just LGBT friends and family REP Nov 2013 #40
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