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xchrom

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Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:42 AM Nov 2013

The Price of America Having the Greatest Military in the World? It's Destroying the Country [View all]

http://www.alternet.org/world/tragic-history-us-military-supremacy



The idea of U.S. "national security" seems inextricably entangled with the notion of "military supremacy." Over the past 15 years, this has served to rationalize the most expensive unilateral military build-up in history. But there is no evidence that having the most expensive and destructive military forces makes Americans safer than people in other countries, nor that restoring a more balanced military posture would leave us vulnerable to dangers we are currently protected from. Many countries with smaller military forces do a better job of protecting their people by avoiding the hostility that is generated by U.S. imperialism, aggression and other war crimes.

Now, successful diplomacy over Syria's chemical weapons has demonstrated that diplomacy within the framework of international law can be a more effective way of dealing with problems than the illegal threat or use of military force. Our government claims that its threat of force led to the success of diplomacy in Syria, but that's not really what happened. It was only when the sleeping giant of American democracy awoke from its long slumber and pried the cruise missiles from our leaders' trigger fingers that they grudgingly accepted "diplomacy as a last resort." For once in a very long while, our political system worked the way it's supposed to: the public made its views clear to our representatives in Congress, and they listened. We saved our leaders from the consequences of their own criminality, and their efforts to sell a propaganda narrative that turns that on its head is a sad reflection on their disdain for democracy and the rule of law.

For most of our history, Americans never dreamt of global military supremacy. At the turn of the 20th century, even as the U.S. waged a genocidal war that probably killed a million Filipinos, American diplomats played key roles in the Hague Peace Conferences and the establishment of international courts, eager to adapt American concepts of democracy and justice to the international arena to develop alternatives to war and militarism.

In response to the horrors of the First World War, an international social movement demanded the abolition of war. In 1928, the U.S. government responded by negotiating the Kellogg-Briand Pact, named for U.S. Secretary of State Frank Kellogg, in which all major powers renounced "war as an instrument of national policy." The treaty failed to prevent the Second World War, but it provided the legal basis for the convictions of German leaders at Nuremberg for the crime of aggression. And it is still in force, supported by subsequent treaties like the UN Charter and conventions against genocide, torture and other war crimes, under which senior U.S. officials must also eventually face justice.
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But the military's job is to defend the country... leeroysphitz Nov 2013 #1
And? Enthusiast Nov 2013 #3
And? AlbertCat Nov 2013 #16
Thank you. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #72
From what? dairydog91 Nov 2013 #28
North Korea anyone weissmam Nov 2013 #89
From what? alarimer Nov 2013 #46
Bingo, maybe those eleven aircraft-carrier battle groups could be used to exert global hegemony indepat Nov 2013 #61
$$$$ billhicks76 Nov 2013 #79
At the pleasure of the citizens of the country. Currently the military protects the interests of rhett o rick Nov 2013 #80
No matter how many trillions it takes, huh? DeSwiss Nov 2013 #84
If you watched "Dirty Wars" you will know who is really in charge of the military... kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #2
I'm always looking for good documentaries. CrispyQ Nov 2013 #34
Thank you for the advice. Live and Learn Nov 2013 #56
An out of control military industrial complex is Enthusiast Nov 2013 #4
Totally agree onlyadream Nov 2013 #12
Perhaps a plan could be worked Ilsa Nov 2013 #24
I think the military is a jobs program onlyadream Nov 2013 #53
It's not just the right wing. Shemp Howard Nov 2013 #59
ITA with you. One thing that saddened me about Ilsa Nov 2013 #64
Eisenhower would have completely agreed with you. Shemp Howard Nov 2013 #13
Yeah. Being correct doesn't help at all. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #71
It has happened many times throughout history. Brigid Nov 2013 #5
If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ... Scuba Nov 2013 #6
A question that does not get asked nearly often enough. Brigid Nov 2013 #10
+2 xchrom Nov 2013 #11
OIL! stonecutter357 Nov 2013 #17
The MIC G_j Nov 2013 #22
Exactly. nt City Lights Nov 2013 #29
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #26
+1000000 for this Lifelong Protester Nov 2013 #54
+1 leftstreet Nov 2013 #60
Past time to prosecute the warmongers. Downwinder Nov 2013 #7
Yes, but obscenely rich people get richer, and that's all that matters in this world. nt valerief Nov 2013 #8
k/r marmar Nov 2013 #9
When you hear the military talk about love for America, it's not America they love. gtar100 Nov 2013 #14
You are right. Great post! Enthusiast Nov 2013 #73
Just in time for Veteran's Day GeorgeGist Nov 2013 #15
The article blames Truman and the US for the "Iron Curtain" and Soviet tyranny over Eastern Europe Martin Eden Nov 2013 #18
Here's something to think about. Shemp Howard Nov 2013 #31
Umm, Stalin was the one who signed a non-agression pact with Hitler Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #82
Of course the Soviet Union had legitimate security concerns. Martin Eden Nov 2013 #90
Here's the NY Times obit that... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #35
True rock Nov 2013 #19
History tells us The Wizard Nov 2013 #20
As Rome went in the 3rd century, burnsei sensei Nov 2013 #52
The dynamic is indeed set up. n/t truedelphi Nov 2013 #78
Exactly, +1. As the charlatans and the terminally deluded spend the rest of their lives quibbling Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #83
Not to mention... T Roosevelt Nov 2013 #21
And members of police forces; PTSD after tours in Iraq/Afghanistan, roided up, heavily armed hatrack Nov 2013 #27
Pity that such supremacy comes with austerity at home for the miltary's troop veterans, too. ancianita Nov 2013 #23
"The Fastest Gun In The West"..... Mustellus Nov 2013 #25
It is the same mindset from the Cold War. JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #30
Bingo! Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #42
"profit driven mindlessness" CrispyQ Nov 2013 #43
I watched the video link. JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #48
I'm glad you watched it! CrispyQ Nov 2013 #51
Who needs war? The third world manufactures most of our products... mountain grammy Nov 2013 #32
"The Rise and Fall of the Greatest Powers" by Paul Kennedy and "The Sorrows of Empire" by Chalmers jwirr Nov 2013 #33
Exactly what I was thinking. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #41
Plus 1,000,000! Enthusiast Nov 2013 #75
fucking military spending has been doing that for years gopiscrap Nov 2013 #36
53¢ of every tax dollar goes to the military. CrispyQ Nov 2013 #37
You nailed it! Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #44
+1000 G_j Nov 2013 #47
And with all the money they and the spymaster alphabet soup receive... Jasana Nov 2013 #38
And now Enthusiast Nov 2013 #74
Rome went broke maintaining their empire. hobbit709 Nov 2013 #39
K&R. nt DLevine Nov 2013 #40
Easy to reverse at least. Some problems are not easy to fix. Coyotl Nov 2013 #45
Exactly, JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #49
Not just destroying our country, but many others as well. panader0 Nov 2013 #50
The roll Russia played in ths is completly ignored the the story. RC Nov 2013 #55
Agreed dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #67
America, home of the greatest PROFITEERING ever! We're #1... mother earth Nov 2013 #57
When Spain was at the hight of its power, it squandered its resources on the Armada and the Churches AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #58
On the plus side, Canada hasn't invaded us yet! Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #62
Just as the same thing has destroyed every other empire tblue37 Nov 2013 #63
well, there is a trade off on everything you know Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #65
You know it's really bad CFLDem Nov 2013 #66
K & R, shrink the military! dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #68
The Roman Empire comparisons up thread...and what Kruschev said...Empires tend to implode. libdem4life Nov 2013 #69
We need to revisit the cliche'... Blanks Nov 2013 #70
Just like it did the Soviet Union..... Historic NY Nov 2013 #76
Evil Empire Mosaic Nov 2013 #77
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #81
As someone who was IN the military (USAF/ANG) DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #85
K&R ReRe Nov 2013 #86
WE'RE NUMBER 1!!! AT SUCKING!!!! dorkzilla Nov 2013 #87
If we cut our military strength in half we'd still have the strongest and most powerful military Victor_c3 Nov 2013 #88
It has nothing to do with keeping America safe, or defending the US. It's about contracts and money. Dash87 Nov 2013 #91
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