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JustAnotherGen

(31,825 posts)
78. I love the spiritual stance
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 05:15 AM
Nov 2013

Or non stance.

It's the only philosophy that lets me say "What would Moses do?", Good Friday and Easter are macabre, and believe a human being got married, started to be referred to as Rabbi, died a horrific macabre death, and naturally for his time and stature had a wife and kids. It's okay to believe in his words, reject every single other thing in the "New Testament" and believe not in a ghost - but in the words and example handed down with his birth anytime on earth . . . Regardless of when his birth to two Human beings took place.

And I'm of the mindset he was most likely born in March.

Politics aside you will be hard pressed to find two UUs that believe in the exact same thing outside of no one really knows until we die. . But - when you take the words (including the Gnostics and how they appear there) our "politics" as members are very much in alignment with his words.

I rarely jump into spiritual conversations at DU - but to me Christmas on speed is kind of thumbing our nose at stopping the world for the PDR "celebration". One human being - not a supernatural being with several ancient religions attached to it to make it more palatable for the people of the time.

So we (UUs) brought our European solstice based traditions of lit trees, merriment, food and celebration to America and stong armed America (much as Adams snuck in our philosophy of One God in a sucker punch - deism) into taking a day to be joyful at life and kindness and light - since we are all wonky and weird over the macabre PDR (Easter).

Arius would be quite proud of us - the Syrian Rabbi was murdered as a result of trying to stop the trinitarian imposition of pagan traditions being pegged on an extremely devout Jewish Rabbi - but alas - the Coptics prevailed.

That said as a UU - I will ask the universe to surround and protect Coptics Christians and Muslims in Egypt once again- at Christmas. It's where the split happened and where I'm of the mindset Unitarian's had our first declaration of defiance.

ETA - we made up for it (Christmas - reminding Christians that THEIR founders put all the Pagan/Earth Based Trappings on Christmas) by giving America non Sect Public Education. Look up Horace Mann. A man of his time who had to work within the framework of ignorance in the 1800's but his Unitarian personal cause was Public Education. Mine is feeding the hungry. And I LIVE it.

Yes the church picked the date to get people to stop celebrating pagan holidays. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #1
yes I know that the statement was for the non thinkers gopiscrap Nov 2013 #6
Was Jesus MagnumUK Nov 2013 #2
Good question gopiscrap Nov 2013 #3
according to virtually all historians the question has been answered arely staircase Nov 2013 #27
you mean according to wikipedia, and "biblical scholars". Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #81
no arely staircase Nov 2013 #87
The only way Richard Dawkins would "know" Jesus existed, would be if he was alive 2000 years ago. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #93
valid point. he accepts that is the consensus of historians arely staircase Nov 2013 #95
Again, I do not believe that the objective existence of "Jesus" is even a front-burner topic for Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #97
any scholars antiquity arely staircase Nov 2013 #98
I get that it's very important to you to think that everyone accepts that. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #99
history matters arely staircase Nov 2013 #100
Do you accept that History is based upon objective evidence as opposed to popular consensus? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #101
funny arely staircase Nov 2013 #102
Again, every "Atheist" in the world could "Say Jesus existed" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #104
obviosly not everyone arely staircase Nov 2013 #106
I don't know. However, I think there is more objective historical evidence to say so Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #107
ok let us try to underetand one another arely staircase Nov 2013 #112
Fair enough. I'm saying I don't know. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #113
fair enough arely staircase Nov 2013 #114
*** Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #116
Aww... this has got to be the most heart-warming exchange I've seen on DU in some time. LAGC Nov 2013 #118
one last thing arely staircase Nov 2013 #119
I like to think so. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #5
Like the Tootsie Pop commercial says: Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #11
Depends what the Bible says sakabatou Nov 2013 #109
some of us celebrate Festivus napkinz Nov 2013 #4
Ah, but . . . Petrushka Nov 2013 #7
would that be the Feast of the Annunciation, March 25th? gopiscrap Nov 2013 #8
Nope! Petrushka Nov 2013 #24
you know in the Roman Catholic liturgical calendar gopiscrap Nov 2013 #26
wasn't the IC the conception of Mary by her mother? nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #50
no gopiscrap Nov 2013 #51
I think so arely staircase Nov 2013 #52
Immaculate Conception = Mary Tree-Hugger Nov 2013 #74
Yes Tree-Hugger Nov 2013 #73
Yes it was. Warpy Nov 2013 #111
There was a show... Tree-Hugger Nov 2013 #75
My celebration is all about pscot Nov 2013 #9
You know its funny... yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #10
that to me shows the ethnocentricty of the US gopiscrap Nov 2013 #12
You maybe correct, I suspect this started... yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #14
from what I read, for the most part it did. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #16
Since I am yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #20
I bet gopiscrap Nov 2013 #21
Thank you (seriously) for your informative posts panader0 Nov 2013 #46
lol yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #72
The holiday season is all about LIGHT. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2013 #13
Why do you hate Santa Claus!? Rex Nov 2013 #15
Virginia, there really is no Santa Claus. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #17
... Rex Nov 2013 #18
What about in the other states? seattle15 Nov 2013 #30
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #31
it's a play on words gopiscrap Nov 2013 #32
Because no one gets his real name right. It's Santa CLAWS. sakabatou Nov 2013 #110
Did you really need to start another Christmas thread, not that long after your first? (nt) Nine Nov 2013 #19
some people can't wait to prove how cool they are n/t ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2013 #37
You going for some kind of record? Union Scribe Nov 2013 #22
ah it's 54 days til Christmas not even 2 months gopiscrap Nov 2013 #23
The crafting catalogs pipi_k Nov 2013 #115
Yeah, but my mother and my sister-in-law both were frazzled Nov 2013 #25
Our son was born the day after Christmas. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #36
It doesn't make any difference, it's a good day to have it. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #28
I don't care. I'm in it for the gifts and food n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #29
If this is all you have to live for it's not people who celebrate X-mas who have the problem. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #33
hey my post wan't an opinion it was a fact gopiscrap Nov 2013 #38
The other posters in this thread seem to notice a pattern with your OPs. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #82
So what? TexasProgresive Nov 2013 #34
Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus Nevernose Nov 2013 #35
I agree it's not about Jesus gopiscrap Nov 2013 #42
True that Nevernose Nov 2013 #43
because the other 364 days there isn't a real connection gopiscrap Nov 2013 #44
Yes you are a victim of Christmas Egnever Nov 2013 #49
That is not true for Christians. Christmas is about the birth of Jesus Christ. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #117
Don't worry about it. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #39
Gee, and you know what else? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #40
So what? It's a wonderful holiday if done with proper Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #41
So? cordelia Nov 2013 #45
I do not celebrate Xmas, just the spirit of the holiday. n/t RebelOne Nov 2013 #47
So? Egnever Nov 2013 #48
Well, I am an asshole then. Texasgal Nov 2013 #53
I celebrate the seasons, family, friends and giving to them and others elfin Nov 2013 #54
Most people who celebrate Christmas know that. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #55
you'd be amazed how many people don't know that. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #56
I don't know anyone who doesn't know that. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #57
I know a shit load of crazy ass fundies who swear to God that if their church says Jesus was born on gopiscrap Nov 2013 #59
Oh, well, fundies are a completely different breed. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #62
I love it gopiscrap Nov 2013 #64
You're like the kid who reminds the teacher she forgot to assign homework for the weekend nt. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #58
why? because I said Jesus wasn't born on 12/25? gopiscrap Nov 2013 #60
Because no one who enjoys Christmas gives a flying you know what nt. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #61
historians do gopiscrap Nov 2013 #63
Don't blame the Christians JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #65
yeah I know gopiscrap Nov 2013 #66
I love the spiritual stance JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #78
Good for you ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #67
then at least be honest about it, gopiscrap Nov 2013 #69
I've never pretended about anything ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #71
You need an excuse to spend time with family and friends? HangOnKids Nov 2013 #83
I need a day off when they have a day off too ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #91
SO which historians are actively concerned with the objective historical "existence" of Jesus Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #79
Christmas is just a ripoff of Saturnalia. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #68
yup gopiscrap Nov 2013 #70
It's much older than that. It's about the days getting longer, etc. Good stuff. Good times. Enjoy. freshwest Nov 2013 #76
I like Easter. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #80
actually MFM008 Nov 2013 #77
So? DrDan Nov 2013 #84
You know horse birthdays are not recognized on the date of their birth, right? DrDan Nov 2013 #85
and the Declaration of Independence was not signed on July 4th. Motown_Johnny Nov 2013 #86
I hope you have a wonderful holiday season pintobean Nov 2013 #88
You must be a real hoot at children's parties Seeking Serenity Nov 2013 #89
actually I am...all the kids love me because I am crazier than shit gopiscrap Nov 2013 #90
When the Tao is absent, ritual arises. Lao Tse Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #92
So? Glassunion Nov 2013 #94
I'm an atheist, so I don't care. I enjoy Christmas anyway. Throd Nov 2013 #96
*GASP!* NOOOO! The scales have fallen from my eyes! Oh THANK YOU!! nolabear Nov 2013 #103
I celebrate a totally secular Christmas. So did my parents. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #105
Feel better now? Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #108
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