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Yes the church picked the date to get people to stop celebrating pagan holidays. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #1
yes I know that the statement was for the non thinkers gopiscrap Nov 2013 #6
Was Jesus MagnumUK Nov 2013 #2
Good question gopiscrap Nov 2013 #3
according to virtually all historians the question has been answered arely staircase Nov 2013 #27
you mean according to wikipedia, and "biblical scholars". Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #81
no arely staircase Nov 2013 #87
The only way Richard Dawkins would "know" Jesus existed, would be if he was alive 2000 years ago. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #93
valid point. he accepts that is the consensus of historians arely staircase Nov 2013 #95
Again, I do not believe that the objective existence of "Jesus" is even a front-burner topic for Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #97
any scholars antiquity arely staircase Nov 2013 #98
I get that it's very important to you to think that everyone accepts that. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #99
history matters arely staircase Nov 2013 #100
Do you accept that History is based upon objective evidence as opposed to popular consensus? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #101
funny arely staircase Nov 2013 #102
Again, every "Atheist" in the world could "Say Jesus existed" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #104
obviosly not everyone arely staircase Nov 2013 #106
I don't know. However, I think there is more objective historical evidence to say so Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #107
ok let us try to underetand one another arely staircase Nov 2013 #112
Fair enough. I'm saying I don't know. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #113
fair enough arely staircase Nov 2013 #114
*** Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #116
Aww... this has got to be the most heart-warming exchange I've seen on DU in some time. LAGC Nov 2013 #118
one last thing arely staircase Nov 2013 #119
I like to think so. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #5
Like the Tootsie Pop commercial says: Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #11
Depends what the Bible says sakabatou Nov 2013 #109
some of us celebrate Festivus napkinz Nov 2013 #4
Ah, but . . . Petrushka Nov 2013 #7
would that be the Feast of the Annunciation, March 25th? gopiscrap Nov 2013 #8
Nope! Petrushka Nov 2013 #24
you know in the Roman Catholic liturgical calendar gopiscrap Nov 2013 #26
wasn't the IC the conception of Mary by her mother? nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #50
no gopiscrap Nov 2013 #51
I think so arely staircase Nov 2013 #52
Immaculate Conception = Mary Tree-Hugger Nov 2013 #74
Yes Tree-Hugger Nov 2013 #73
Yes it was. Warpy Nov 2013 #111
There was a show... Tree-Hugger Nov 2013 #75
My celebration is all about pscot Nov 2013 #9
You know its funny... yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #10
that to me shows the ethnocentricty of the US gopiscrap Nov 2013 #12
You maybe correct, I suspect this started... yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #14
from what I read, for the most part it did. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #16
Since I am yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #20
I bet gopiscrap Nov 2013 #21
Thank you (seriously) for your informative posts panader0 Nov 2013 #46
lol yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #72
The holiday season is all about LIGHT. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2013 #13
Why do you hate Santa Claus!? Rex Nov 2013 #15
Virginia, there really is no Santa Claus. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #17
... Rex Nov 2013 #18
What about in the other states? seattle15 Nov 2013 #30
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #31
it's a play on words gopiscrap Nov 2013 #32
Because no one gets his real name right. It's Santa CLAWS. sakabatou Nov 2013 #110
Did you really need to start another Christmas thread, not that long after your first? (nt) Nine Nov 2013 #19
some people can't wait to prove how cool they are n/t ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2013 #37
You going for some kind of record? Union Scribe Nov 2013 #22
ah it's 54 days til Christmas not even 2 months gopiscrap Nov 2013 #23
The crafting catalogs pipi_k Nov 2013 #115
Yeah, but my mother and my sister-in-law both were frazzled Nov 2013 #25
Our son was born the day after Christmas. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #36
It doesn't make any difference, it's a good day to have it. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #28
I don't care. I'm in it for the gifts and food n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #29
If this is all you have to live for it's not people who celebrate X-mas who have the problem. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #33
hey my post wan't an opinion it was a fact gopiscrap Nov 2013 #38
The other posters in this thread seem to notice a pattern with your OPs. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #82
So what? TexasProgresive Nov 2013 #34
Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus Nevernose Nov 2013 #35
I agree it's not about Jesus gopiscrap Nov 2013 #42
True that Nevernose Nov 2013 #43
because the other 364 days there isn't a real connection gopiscrap Nov 2013 #44
Yes you are a victim of Christmas Egnever Nov 2013 #49
That is not true for Christians. Christmas is about the birth of Jesus Christ. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #117
Don't worry about it. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #39
Gee, and you know what else? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #40
So what? It's a wonderful holiday if done with proper Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #41
So? cordelia Nov 2013 #45
I do not celebrate Xmas, just the spirit of the holiday. n/t RebelOne Nov 2013 #47
So? Egnever Nov 2013 #48
Well, I am an asshole then. Texasgal Nov 2013 #53
I celebrate the seasons, family, friends and giving to them and others elfin Nov 2013 #54
Most people who celebrate Christmas know that. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #55
you'd be amazed how many people don't know that. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #56
I don't know anyone who doesn't know that. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #57
I know a shit load of crazy ass fundies who swear to God that if their church says Jesus was born on gopiscrap Nov 2013 #59
Oh, well, fundies are a completely different breed. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #62
I love it gopiscrap Nov 2013 #64
You're like the kid who reminds the teacher she forgot to assign homework for the weekend nt. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #58
why? because I said Jesus wasn't born on 12/25? gopiscrap Nov 2013 #60
Because no one who enjoys Christmas gives a flying you know what nt. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #61
historians do gopiscrap Nov 2013 #63
Don't blame the Christians JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #65
yeah I know gopiscrap Nov 2013 #66
I love the spiritual stance JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #78
Good for you ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #67
then at least be honest about it, gopiscrap Nov 2013 #69
I've never pretended about anything ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #71
You need an excuse to spend time with family and friends? HangOnKids Nov 2013 #83
I need a day off when they have a day off too ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #91
SO which historians are actively concerned with the objective historical "existence" of Jesus Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #79
Christmas is just a ripoff of Saturnalia. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #68
yup gopiscrap Nov 2013 #70
It's much older than that. It's about the days getting longer, etc. Good stuff. Good times. Enjoy. freshwest Nov 2013 #76
I like Easter. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #80
actually MFM008 Nov 2013 #77
So? DrDan Nov 2013 #84
You know horse birthdays are not recognized on the date of their birth, right? DrDan Nov 2013 #85
and the Declaration of Independence was not signed on July 4th. Motown_Johnny Nov 2013 #86
I hope you have a wonderful holiday season pintobean Nov 2013 #88
You must be a real hoot at children's parties Seeking Serenity Nov 2013 #89
actually I am...all the kids love me because I am crazier than shit gopiscrap Nov 2013 #90
When the Tao is absent, ritual arises. Lao Tse Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #92
So? Glassunion Nov 2013 #94
I'm an atheist, so I don't care. I enjoy Christmas anyway. Throd Nov 2013 #96
*GASP!* NOOOO! The scales have fallen from my eyes! Oh THANK YOU!! nolabear Nov 2013 #103
I celebrate a totally secular Christmas. So did my parents. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #105
Feel better now? Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #108
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