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In reply to the discussion: Is it just me, or do many of the objections to the Obama Administration [View all]stupidicus
(2,570 posts)talking about cuts to SS and Medicare is okay as long as it isn't done, and all the members in congress that are fearful of the proposal during negotiations are just bedwetters.
Talking about violating international law with an attack on Syria is okay, as long as it isn't done.
Gee, can we put you down as a "threat" supporter? The threat was a violation of international law/UN Charter, and putting SS/Medicare on the chopping block was what, a proposition we elected him to pursue? Nobody thinks BHO can by himself cut SS, we think he's needlessly and erroneously put it on the table.
Drone strikes of questionable legality are okay, as long as he isn't hauled off to the ICC or somesuch body.
NSA spying of dubious legality/constitutionality are okay, as long as there are similarly, no legal ramifications.
The simple fact of the matter is, these things are apparently just trifling matters you're willing to trade away for what you think you've gotten so far, and those "criticizing" think differently. The "DIVIDE" here is one based almost exclusively on your satisfaction with what the dems and BHO's representing them currently are, and what they use to be and represent for the rest of us.
We don't care if you don't "see it", but we do care about the many and varied efforts to belittle those who find no room for pragmatism on some issues, because too much of that renders the idea of having principles meaningless.
This is the same garbage debated during the "New Dem"/Third Way/DLC/corp friendly presidency of Clinton.
And since the rise of the Pee Party, the fear of rightwingnuttery that underlies the tag team effort makes cooperation with it that much easier to obtain outta lefties.
You're wrong. There's not a damn thing on the things I've covered here that have gotten the most criticism that qualifies as something "he hasn't done". He's damned by threatening alone, to attack Syria, just as he's rightly damned for threatening to cooperate in the cutting of the social safety nets, whether he carried or carries those threats out or not, just as you would be if you threatened someone or their interests. That's the criticism, since we couldn't know unless and until he did or didn't, carry out either threat.