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NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
83. Imagine things to get upset about? WTF are you talking about?
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 12:14 PM
Oct 2013

You don't have to imagine that there are bronze, silver and gold plans, and the bronze are pretty meager in terms of their coverage, and thus, will induce self-rationing and lead to less than optimal health care outcomes. That isn't imagining. That's the bottom line. Your responses are just becoming transparent here.

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Go-Bama! NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #1
Go BAMA! nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #2
Roll Tide! Whiskeytide Oct 2013 #23
Here We Go Steelers, Here We.....oops, sorry. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #35
I am waving at you... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #117
What's the deal with their OC? Is he clueless? Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #147
A "perfect record"... Whiskeytide Oct 2013 #153
HA ! My Giants have perfect record AND shattering NFL records ! NM_Birder Oct 2013 #173
Bear down, Chicago Bears.... JoDog Oct 2013 #102
CA's silver plan is considerably better than my corporate insurance and less expensive. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #3
If that is the case, highly likely your company will drop employer-based... roamer65 Oct 2013 #12
That's kind of the long-term plan. jeff47 Oct 2013 #13
Health care shouldn't be connected to enlightenment Oct 2013 #21
Yes, government options. jeff47 Oct 2013 #37
Then perhaps you should present it enlightenment Oct 2013 #57
Why would California fight that plan? jeff47 Oct 2013 #66
Because the for-profit nature of the enlightenment Oct 2013 #110
Politicians have one primary goal: Get and remain elected. jeff47 Oct 2013 #119
Once people see this and the benefits redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 #4
Gonna cost a lot more than that for us here in Maine. :^( I am dreading losing my medicaid. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #5
You have a Teabag governor who refuses to expand Medicaid or institute the exchanges. Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2013 #16
Working on that now. Still wish they weren't taking away MaineCare, though. *blah* GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #24
Doesn't matter nobodyspecial Oct 2013 #26
O.K., I get it now. WOW! I am so sorry. That really sucks!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2013 #46
We have to get rid of LaPage... SiobhanClancy Oct 2013 #166
Finally, we are last major industrialized nation... roamer65 Oct 2013 #6
Just to quibble... BlueCheese Oct 2013 #98
So poor that their subsidy would pay all or almost all? karynnj Oct 2013 #108
I don't know why exactly people will remain uninsured. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #115
I don't know either - but under the conjecture that they wouldn't karynnj Oct 2013 #130
Part of that pool are the Teabagger eedjits who won't be "forced into" getting health insurance. riqster Oct 2013 #154
Exactly. The ACA relies on Medicaid expansion by the states to cover the most vulnerable, and jtuck004 Oct 2013 #138
Thanks karynnj Oct 2013 #157
This is great news, as this continues to roll out and more are insured the games being played out in Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #7
Cali has good weather too. Hmmm. PowerToThePeople Oct 2013 #8
Twice as much for everything else there... pipoman Oct 2013 #22
In some areas. PowerToThePeople Oct 2013 #25
When I moved to Las Vegas from Anaheim I was shocked to find my auto insurance doubled. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #70
That's the other part of the reason for the shutdown. The GOP must have seen reports that said stevenleser Oct 2013 #9
Great! What about Keefer Oct 2013 #10
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Oh, heavens no. enlightenment Oct 2013 #30
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Covered? So what do they have to do to use that coverage? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #40
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Thats called a straw man. NoOneMan Oct 2013 #82
I'm one of those people who isn't poor enough crim son Oct 2013 #68
Get back to me enlightenment Oct 2013 #61
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Hold up. You are referring to some long-term DUers tkmorris Oct 2013 #89
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Your accusations towards long time DUers is not appreciated Marrah_G Oct 2013 #174
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Actually I am "miffed" because the RI healthcare website isn't working correctly at the moment Marrah_G Oct 2013 #179
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"always the victim"? You don't know me Marrah_G Oct 2013 #182
What is your problem? cui bono Oct 2013 #185
"Obamacare is not going away." NoOneMan Oct 2013 #91
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Im not sure what you are even getting at anymore. Are you? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #104
I'm not trying Keefer Oct 2013 #33
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Those who are subisdized for insurance Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #123
Plus Copays and Deductibles NoOneMan Oct 2013 #11
Because it was so much better to get cancer without insurance. jeff47 Oct 2013 #14
You've just codified non-egalitarian, tiered healthcare that hinges upon self-rationing NoOneMan Oct 2013 #27
No, they noted that you are making assumptions about details of a plan that are not in evidence. nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #44
What assumptions am I making? That the plan has copays and deductibles? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #53
This is the part where I quote Jon Stewart. You're F**king with us, right? stevenleser Oct 2013 #62
Because its been explained as the Bronze 60! NoOneMan Oct 2013 #72
After you already made assumptions and started complaining about it. stevenleser Oct 2013 #74
Its a solid "assumption" based on the price of the coverage stated in the OP NoOneMan Oct 2013 #81
Agree.. Why is this a concept that is so hard for people to understand? Safetykitten Oct 2013 #103
There are certain preventive services that aren't subject to coinsurance and deductibles. Hoyt Oct 2013 #124
My current employers offers an HSA Sheepshank Oct 2013 #116
No NoOneMan Oct 2013 #136
My husbands plan has a $7500 annual out of pocket max Sheepshank Oct 2013 #155
This is correct. They just do not get it. Thank you for explaining this. Safetykitten Oct 2013 #161
History. It is important. jeff47 Oct 2013 #59
... Phentex Oct 2013 #77
Medical tourism is not the same as a government codifying tiered health care NoOneMan Oct 2013 #78
The point of bringing up history is today's system is not eternal. jeff47 Oct 2013 #93
"but instead pressuring our state legislatures to expand and improve it" NoOneMan Oct 2013 #97
Why do you think no one sees the obvious problems? jeff47 Oct 2013 #112
In this day and age nothing is fixed AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #121
Nihilism may be cool, but all it does is help the status quo. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2013 #134
Because I get attacked for pointing them out NoOneMan Oct 2013 #133
You point them out as if they are the end state. jeff47 Oct 2013 #137
In the absence of evidence, you propose the worst possible scenario stevenleser Oct 2013 #19
Lower income familes do not face major medical procedures? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #31
Back up to the part where you commented on the plan when the plan details are not in evidence. nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #42
Back up the part when you make any sense at all NoOneMan Oct 2013 #65
Oh I make sense. I only comment on facts in evidence. I dont imagine things to be upset about. nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #67
Imagine things to get upset about? WTF are you talking about? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #83
And for this particular life, I can finally afford health care coverage when previously I couldn't.. LanternWaste Oct 2013 #69
Yes, but its health care outcomes we need to really focus in on NoOneMan Oct 2013 #85
I completely agree. I am one of those that voiced this throughout. Safetykitten Oct 2013 #90
You make an excellent point. nt DLevine Oct 2013 #101
it is not just the poor questionseverything Oct 2013 #150
True^ Safetykitten Oct 2013 #163
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Even many employer-based healthcare plans had those, too. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #41
No doubt. Let's just not get ahead of ourselves here NoOneMan Oct 2013 #58
WTF? hunter Oct 2013 #84
Yes, its an improvement! NoOneMan Oct 2013 #87
So your argument is....they were better off before?? cbdo2007 Oct 2013 #92
No, thats your Strawman argument NoOneMan Oct 2013 #94
My argument is facts....your argument is that my argument is a "strawman argument" that cbdo2007 Oct 2013 #96
. NoOneMan Oct 2013 #100
LOL - funny how quickly arguments end when you bring up the f word (facts) cbdo2007 Oct 2013 #105
Sounds like them Congress critters..... Historic NY Oct 2013 #152
You're fucking kidding?!??! That's great! I live in Maryland and I expect similar! Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2013 #15
Link the plan please. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #17
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Website is down (after sign in) enlightenment Oct 2013 #43
$5k yearly deductible AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #127
Because they need to soak us as much as possible for another year to pad their reserves ... Myrina Oct 2013 #149
"Why did Obama delay the cap on out of pocket expenses until 2015?" The deal...all part of the deal. Safetykitten Oct 2013 #165
Interesting that 4 people making double the money would pay a fraction of what one Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #29
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So Obamacare is replacing Medicare? leftstreet Oct 2013 #45
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Will seniors face the mandate fine if they don't sign up? leftstreet Oct 2013 #56
Highly unlikely. roamer65 Oct 2013 #63
I think it is more reasonable to assume the OP is speaking about a policy with high Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #64
100% coverage for my medicare would be 50% of my social security payment madrchsod Oct 2013 #145
My premium and deductible going way up under ACA! cilla4progress Oct 2013 #32
Keep in mind that the enlightenment Oct 2013 #49
That rule has NOT been waived for ALL insurance plans. subterranean Oct 2013 #175
Help me out here... Fix The Stupid Oct 2013 #34
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Quite the contrary... Fix The Stupid Oct 2013 #52
Many factors grantcart Oct 2013 #48
Subsidies, regulated MLR, and usage rates (which will likely drop by percent) NoOneMan Oct 2013 #51
part of it is health insurance companies are limited in non-direct-medical expenses tomm2thumbs Oct 2013 #54
The insurance companies will make it up with more people in the mix NV Whino Oct 2013 #73
Discouraged aroach Oct 2013 #55
I may be wrong it could be that Missouri's governor rejected Obamacare provisions to expand Medicare tomm2thumbs Oct 2013 #71
This is a huge problem for bunnies-mr as well. bunnies Oct 2013 #75
As I understood it you can still go on the marketplace... cynatnite Oct 2013 #111
Yeah. I did a few days ago. bunnies Oct 2013 #118
That sucks... cynatnite Oct 2013 #139
It's really weird that not everyone can buy through the exchange. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #120
I have no idea. bunnies Oct 2013 #122
When I had the training last month Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #125
Hopefully though, bunnies Oct 2013 #143
Wait! I just remembered something! bunnies Oct 2013 #76
that's good info tomm2thumbs Oct 2013 #88
Key wording is HIS portion aroach Oct 2013 #158
They break it down by portions? bunnies Oct 2013 #159
I think so unless I'm reading this wrong. aroach Oct 2013 #164
Looks like youre reading it right. bunnies Oct 2013 #167
Looks like I will need a divorce to do that aroach Oct 2013 #176
That really sucks. bunnies Oct 2013 #177
what meds is your son on that is $200/month? cbdo2007 Oct 2013 #95
Autism aroach Oct 2013 #160
I'm sorry for what you are having to go through and hope cbdo2007 Oct 2013 #184
Please also laud the Democrats who put their jobs on the line and lost them efhmc Oct 2013 #80
What? Where is that info from? PeteSelman Oct 2013 #86
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Thank you. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #168
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Go-bama liberal N proud Oct 2013 #106
Welcome to DU andtheBeast!!! GOBAMA!!!! nt LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #107
I see the same argument here that we've seen so many other times. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #113
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Obama delayed the cap on copays and deductibles until 2015 AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #114
No it does not. Hoyt Oct 2013 #129
It means insurers can set their own limits AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #132
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See AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #146
See this... subterranean Oct 2013 #183
Prove it leftstreet Oct 2013 #169
Go-bama! Go-bama! Go-bama! freshwest Oct 2013 #126
Connecticut Health Exchange Autumn Colors Oct 2013 #128
And wait until doctors and hospitals discover that they are going to get paid for ALL their work. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #131
GOOD POINT. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #148
This? This you just wrote? Fantasy. Safetykitten Oct 2013 #162
Only 'homeless' and 'mentally ill' people can't afford coverage? leftstreet Oct 2013 #170
Welcome to DU, andtheBeast! And GOBAMA!!!!!!!!! calimary Oct 2013 #135
How many Reps/Cons are... Wait Wut Oct 2013 #140
YES!! Bigredhunk Oct 2013 #151
I would never wish for anyone to not be able TxDemChem Oct 2013 #156
Well, actually we did that. Bronze people plans....Platinum plans.... Safetykitten Oct 2013 #172
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