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225. Jackie Robinson

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 10:11 AM

Sep 2013

got run out of spring baseball practice in Sanford(that county)1948ish-trayvon Martin shot killed while unarmed, coming from the store-2013, 60 years+, nah, county won't change because the attitude is 1948ish same.

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Medical Examiner says he has proof Trayvon was not the aggressor, told to shut up about it [View all] Bjorn Against Sep 2013 OP

Well this sounds interesting Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #1

Wow... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #11

They still come to the Zimmerman threads etherealtruth Sep 2013 #167

If I ever, ever got into trouble, Willie Gary would be the one to call. He is the best, and just monmouth3 Sep 2013 #2

I'm certainly taking note. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #27

Yep, they've met their match now brush Sep 2013 #40

Lousy prosecution! JDPriestly Sep 2013 #71

That was my interpretation, also. Her demeanour, and the way the trial was run, was wrong. freshwest Sep 2013 #90

I didn't watch.. that must have been Awful! I'm so Cha Sep 2013 #157

I didn't watch it live, just saw a lot of clips of news coverage and the trial. It was disturbing. freshwest Sep 2013 #223

Well said n/t Mira Sep 2013 #204

Yup I totally agree with you gopiscrap Sep 2013 #230

Those federal charges that they could have pressed against GZ - can they be used to try jwirr Sep 2013 #128

Only problem will be a version of the ENRON shredding team. If they accidentally recorded the words. freshwest Sep 2013 #206

I hope so and I am wondering if they can prove gopiscrap Sep 2013 #231

They really couldn't have charged Zimmy Federally, but this is perfect. sir pball Sep 2013 #267

Yup that was exactly what I was thinking also gopiscrap Sep 2013 #229

That is the least likely scenario PorridgeGun Sep 2013 #237

See you're still drinking the Kool-Aid brush Sep 2013 #238

Dancing around the actual facts and sticking your heads in the sand isn't going to get you very far PorridgeGun Sep 2013 #249

You're not worth much more of my time but I'll say this brush Sep 2013 #250

Here's another 7962 Sep 2013 #257

The attacker was obviously deranged, but again . . . brush Sep 2013 #260

Trayvon shouldn't have been walking while black. onehandle Sep 2013 #3

It would have been more credible leftynyc Sep 2013 #4

While I agree that he should have came out sooner... Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #8

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #62

Ronnie... pintobean Sep 2013 #66

Another voice from the cheap seats. And ronnie, among other things, was a fool. jtuck004 Sep 2013 #67

6th friggin troll Ive seen today! bunnies Sep 2013 #73

Happens when they start spraying for bugs around the stones in the bridges. Makes 'em swarm. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2013 #115

More like dusting the sewer lines. Nasty sewer roaches. Eeeeek. lonestarnot Sep 2013 #205

LOL. I think the forum you're looking for is right here... DanTex Sep 2013 #72

Aw, what did it say? I hate missing these trolls. Thanks, MIRT! freshwest Sep 2013 #96

I am sure that was his point of entry n/t etherealtruth Sep 2013 #255

Oh MIRT! uppityperson Sep 2013 #77

Stealing....nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #175

Sid made it for us earlier in the year. I bookmarked it. uppityperson Sep 2013 #182

He lost his job anyway. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #173

Not really. The case ended not that long ago. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #76

Nail on the head. Roland99 Sep 2013 #80

Not a surprise...I really do hope some heads roll in the DA's office...nt joeybee12 Sep 2013 #5

We definitely need an airing in Florida. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #32

I can only imagine it would end up more of the same... joeybee12 Sep 2013 #74

This is a county that is still protecting a secret that would uncover Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #84

I don't know where the woman who prosecuted the case is from... joeybee12 Sep 2013 #93

I think she rose to her level of incompetence. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #97

Rick Scott appointed her HockeyMom Sep 2013 #150

Jackie Robinson heaven05 Sep 2013 #225

Too little - too late JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #6

Isn't this being reviewed at a federal level? Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #35

I think JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #47

That's how it generally happens. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #51

I'm pretty much in the "He was tried and he won" camp. gvstn Sep 2013 #88

It isn't always double jeopardy -- not if it is a different crime, a very different charge. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #101

Corruption on the state level KamaAina Sep 2013 #109

I understand that but there is a difference between corruption and incompetence. gvstn Sep 2013 #119

Their attitude according to Bao was that "he deserved what he got". That does not sound like jwirr Sep 2013 #137

erm, I disagree with your comment: Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #146

Indeed... 2naSalit Sep 2013 #197

No one is asking for Federal Charges for murder JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #130

You can get tried in civil and criminal court. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #145

Not double jeopardy. The feds are reviewing to see if Trayvon's civil rights were violated. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #174

Hmmm--Did he lie? lolly Sep 2013 #199

Don't understand what this has to do with double jeopardy. One cannot be tried twice Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #213

He can be sued in a civil court but there is a risk you might not be aware of in Florida. ... spin Sep 2013 #252

ETA: oh, I see what you're asking. Dr. Bao DID lie! He said that didn't remember Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #215

Your responses had nothing to do with my post lolly Sep 2013 #235

I corrected myself and I corrected you. Get your facts straight. Dr. Bao DID lie on the Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #248

Well, between testifying and now, there's a lie Recursion Sep 2013 #264

Not double jeopardy wryter2000 Sep 2013 #189

Yes, the Feds are looking at a civil rights case against Zimmerman Gothmog Sep 2013 #148

Yes... but I hope he gets his $100M and gives the majority of it to the Martins and Rachel. freshwest Sep 2013 #103

I hope he does too JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #123

When you're on the stand, you can only answer the questions that are asked. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #126

And now we're cooking... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #7

I have to delete gun threads. It is just too heartbreaking to me that so many DUers came to liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #10

Yes, but the gun nuts didn't *have* to make Zimmerman their poster boy. Nine Sep 2013 #28

I haven't heard too many come to his defense since the Shellie incident. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #39

I agree Skittles Sep 2013 #187

I put 'em all on ignore Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #46

I really don't believe that most of them were pro gun; I think they were racists. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #217

If proven true, avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #9

nope... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #13

That's terrible. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #15

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2013 #20

I don't think anything could be done to reverse the verdict Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #14

I think the people involved in the cover-ups avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #24

I was vague about what I mean when I say sanctions Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #36

No, this is the United States jberryhill Sep 2013 #55

why not a retrial if information was withheld? robinlynne Sep 2013 #68

double jeopardy. Myrina Sep 2013 #79

Please please please tell me you were born outside the US. Because no person could possibly kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #122

What HS civics class? jeff47 Sep 2013 #135

No wonder people are so utterly clueless about their rights and the law............. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #138

You don't know Tien1985 Sep 2013 #214

Does that sentiment also apply to civility too? LanternWaste Sep 2013 #240

Or how to perform a lung transplant also. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #243

A bad case. TheDeputy Sep 2013 #12

Right on cue, as predicted...Just like clockwork... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #17

its his first day on the job. bobduca Sep 2013 #26

+1 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #34

n/t JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #38

Really? TheDeputy Sep 2013 #42

Yes really JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #49

And Dr. Bao will reveal that the evidence was gamed. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #64

Lol, 47 posts! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #207

Wish Zimmie JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #19

Oh brother maddezmom Sep 2013 #33

It was not a bad case. Just bad people in law enforcement gaming the evidence. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #43

"gamble your house"? Precisely Sep 2013 #52

Did you not read what Bao's attorney said? brush Sep 2013 #53

It's legal / prosecutorial malpractice. King_Klonopin Sep 2013 #210

Why would you use a 'betting your house' analogy? Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #61

and an innocent teenager dying? robinlynne Sep 2013 #69

No one has to gamble their house. What overblown hyperbole. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #82

I agree except that Zimmerman was never on the stand yet the prosecution stupidly put his JDPriestly Sep 2013 #110

Such a bad misinterpretation of "reasonable doubt" gollygee Sep 2013 #131

The trial had more evidence than most -- all the audio recordings KurtNYC Sep 2013 #165

There is no such recording pintobean Sep 2013 #168

One of the 911 calls that was used in the trial caught the gunshot and his screams KurtNYC Sep 2013 #170

Didnt both sides say the voice was their guy? 7962 Sep 2013 #256

Yes there was. The recording was barred from being heard. Again, another piece of Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #219

The point is that evidence was deliberately withheld. Evidence which very well could have made nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #178

and thus speaks our law enforcement professional. what kind of pizza do you prefer? niyad Sep 2013 #190

Well, that's what the OP is about lolly Sep 2013 #200

yeah,in that county heaven05 Sep 2013 #226

Or get shot on the way home from a convenience store? LanternWaste Sep 2013 #241

"He says their general attitude was that he got what he deserved," Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #16

Yes, many on DU felt the same way uponit7771 Sep 2013 #22

+ 10000 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #58

That is the problem. It is a lynch mob mentality. LiberalFighter Sep 2013 #29

this. nt BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2013 #203

Wow. That is messed up, in my opinion. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #18

Those in power in that community are corrupt. LiberalFighter Sep 2013 #21

I didn't know it was in the same city or even county, yeap...in that case I'd stay the hell uponit7771 Sep 2013 #25

Based on one response to the story LiberalFighter Sep 2013 #37

Shellie's 911 call claimed that Zimmerman was in his car with his gun. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #48

This ought to give ammunition to the Federal Government. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #23

+1 Little Star Sep 2013 #41

+1. Nt DeschutesRiver Sep 2013 #112

Can we speculate on exactly what evidence he has? Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #30

Bao says he has scientific evidence that Trayvon was not on top Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #44

But in the meantime, what sort of evidence might this be? Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #50

Forensic evidence, possibly the way the body was positioned Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #56

I'm thinking something like squished internal organs that show someone had been sitting on him? Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #85

More on Dr. Bao and what compelled him to sue JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #31

+1, They wanted to fire him for "poor communication" Yeap, he was about to blow their case wide open uponit7771 Sep 2013 #83

And notice JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #124

Did they rip his tongue out when they fired him? wercal Sep 2013 #181

I imagine your faith in your powers of prophecy is quite strong. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #242

Its a prophecy based in past experience wercal Sep 2013 #245

There are still plenty of people who think Sibel Edmonds is going to talk some day soon (nt) Recursion Sep 2013 #265

Rrrriigghht Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #45

Did Bao ever testify or otherwise attest under oath to the veracity of his statements? leveymg Sep 2013 #54

Read the article, it says he was waiting for a question that was never asked Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #60

I was just asking and providing context to my question. leveymg Sep 2013 #86

Does he have opinion or fact? pintobean Sep 2013 #57

He says that he has scientific evidence that he wanted to present in court Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #63

Yes, I read the story. pintobean Sep 2013 #70

It might be that the weird behavior was a manifestation of him not being able to talk about Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #104

The guy had his notes at trial pintobean Sep 2013 #111

Maybe he felt a conflict between what he believed to be the truth and the prosecutors' view of the JDPriestly Sep 2013 #120

ought to have his medical license revoked markiv Sep 2013 #59

His medical license should be revoked because he was not allowed to present evidence? Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #75

that's BS markiv Sep 2013 #81

Judges will only allow witnesses to answer the questions asked of them Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #87

so they didnt ask about how the guy died? they just asked about baseball? markiv Sep 2013 #91

You know nothing about working for good ole boys. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #94

and you do? markiv Sep 2013 #95

I know of someone in the county who was fired because he refused to do something Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #106

Read the article, they did not ask him if the evidence showed who was on top Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #99

Yes, Bernie asked him about that. pintobean Sep 2013 #142

Either Dr Bao perjured himself in court cpwm17 Sep 2013 #152

It's a pretty definitive answer to a yes/no question. pintobean Sep 2013 #156

The "closest" eye witness said he can't mzmolly Sep 2013 #261

He had the best look at the assault: from outside cpwm17 Sep 2013 #262

It is known that the man and child struggled on the ground. mzmolly Sep 2013 #269

TM was seventeen years old cpwm17 Sep 2013 #270

It is know that a 17 year old mzmolly Sep 2013 #272

The voice does not sound like a child to me cpwm17 Sep 2013 #273

Accent? Zimmerman is a native to Florida. He was born in the US. mzmolly Sep 2013 #274

John Good said the person on the bottom was wearing red cpwm17 Sep 2013 #275

He said red or white colored shirt. mzmolly Sep 2013 #276

Courts work on the most precise narrow interpretation of a question. Chan790 Sep 2013 #108

He is not claiming that he lied. He is claiming that he was not given the opportunity to state JDPriestly Sep 2013 #121

Does anyone here really believe that an ME cant write their conclusions in a report? markiv Sep 2013 #144

Remember all the DUers screaming about how we shouldnt boycott Florida....? Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #65

Does anyone with knowledge about such things have an example of what that might be? John_Carter Sep 2013 #78

That's what I'm wondering about as well Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #92

Weren't the reports available to the public? John_Carter Sep 2013 #98

Possibly, yes Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #100

Good Point Captain Stern Sep 2013 #113

It would show an institutionalized system of laws DearAbby Sep 2013 #127

Again... John_Carter Sep 2013 #133

The Failure on the Prosecution's part in asking the Question DearAbby Sep 2013 #134

Why isn't it in the released autopsy report? John_Carter Sep 2013 #202

Well, it's a wild-ass guess jeff47 Sep 2013 #143

I grow sadder as this JimboBillyBubbaBob Sep 2013 #89

Isn't that the guy who said he needed notes because he couldn't remember anything about the autopsy? dkf Sep 2013 #102

What lie are you alleging he told under oath? Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #105

Medical examiner: 'No memory' of Martin autopsy dkf Sep 2013 #107

Not remembering all the details and having to refer to notes is not proof he lied Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #114

Click on the link to his testimony. dkf Sep 2013 #117

If you take everyone's words absolutely literally then everyone is a chronic liar Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #125

That is not relevant. He may have had no memory of that day and yet, upon reviewing his notes, JDPriestly Sep 2013 #129

But he has nothing other than his notes which were there for all to see. dkf Sep 2013 #140

The notes will merely be his observations of the physical reality in front of him. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #162

I'm just saying there are no bombshells he could have offered. dkf Sep 2013 #163

The question was asked and answered at trial. pintobean Sep 2013 #164

BULLSHIT!!! Someone got to him! He admits this in his statement!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #218

He said he needed notes to remember it. Which makes sense since he does a lot of autopsies. The... JVS Sep 2013 #193

He said he had no memory of that day. I linked to it above. dkf Sep 2013 #195

I think this is it Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #116

everything about this sham of a trial stinks to high heaven noiretextatique Sep 2013 #118

I don't believe a word of it. Soundman Sep 2013 #132

isn't covering a murder warrior1 Sep 2013 #136

You mean the fix was in? Knock me over with a feather.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #139

No shit! I told ya'll it was collusion! I told you!! That Bao can't remember that he Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #141

This information may help Federal Case Gothmog Sep 2013 #147

I will go to my grave believing that collusion took place in this case... Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #149

Floating in the river my ass! Sissyk Sep 2013 #169

He got on the stand and flat out LIED. The fact that he's not in jail for perjury Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #172

I care, Liberal Stalwart71! Sissyk Sep 2013 #179

I definitely began to suspect it during that weak-assed prosecution Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #191

First he said he was fired becase he is Chinese Yandorio Sep 2013 #151

'Cherry Picking' - Soooo annoying Ohio Joe Sep 2013 #176

He's going to sue them in the same court that acquitted Zimmerman? tularetom Sep 2013 #153

I am strongly getting the impression that Zimmerman has people protecting him Matariki Sep 2013 #154

Like the recent domestic dispute called in to 911 by his wife. King_Klonopin Sep 2013 #212

Is this something that can cause an appeal of the verdict? Generic Other Sep 2013 #155

See post #142 pintobean Sep 2013 #159

Interesting that so many others are ruining their reputations, Generic Other Sep 2013 #161

Double jeopardy (Fifth Amendment) prevents appeal of an acquittal. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #184

"may be a scumbag murderer"? heaven05 Sep 2013 #227

I hate Grammar Nazis NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #233

sorry you don't feel heaven05 Sep 2013 #234

Thank you NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #236

Zimmerman MURDERED that kid, knowingly and with malice alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #158

What is the lawsuit for? Wrongful termination? 100 million? NCTraveler Sep 2013 #160

Thanks Bjorn Against for posting this red dog 1 Sep 2013 #166

I asked early on in a post if the prosecution was intentionally trying to lose notadmblnd Sep 2013 #171

you weren't heaven05 Sep 2013 #228

I can see an agent running to shut him up. "Save it for the book deal!" Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #177

Predictions wercal Sep 2013 #180

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #222

Didn't Zimmerman have some sort of connection to the police? johnd83 Sep 2013 #183

My Criticism Of The Trial From The Beginning Has Been DallasNE Sep 2013 #185

As much as I think Zman is a murderer, Bao's testimony was awful. Hoyt Sep 2013 #186

But, can't you see, he was DELIBERATELY awful!! He was told to be. He's trying to tell Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #220

I TOLD YOU SO! Th1onein Sep 2013 #188

Someone was the aggressor just by FOLLOWING Trayvon... tokenlib Sep 2013 #192

State Attorney Corey should go to prison for intentional obstruction of justice. Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #194

K & R Scurrilous Sep 2013 #196

This could be yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #198

That trial was a sick joke. NealK Sep 2013 #201

My big question about Zimmerman is... nikto Sep 2013 #208

Zimmerman claimed he stopped pursuing TorchTheWitch Sep 2013 #211

Does anybody here know... nikto Sep 2013 #209

It was an overcharged case davidn3600 Sep 2013 #216

Yeah, "shoot for the moon"... nikto Sep 2013 #253

K&R n/t myrna minx Sep 2013 #221

Duh, like I'm surprised. heaven05 Sep 2013 #224

""He wanted a question that would have allowed him to explain to the jury with scientific evidence.. PorridgeGun Sep 2013 #232

Oh please... Nine Sep 2013 #244

Funny. isn't it? PorridgeGun Sep 2013 #246

Again I say, Oh please... Nine Sep 2013 #251

Z also knew the CCTV cameras were not operating in that neighborhood uponit7771 Sep 2013 #263

good point (nt) Nine Sep 2013 #266

When I read that a detective wanted to charge Zim with homicide and Rex Sep 2013 #239

so why did he zip his lips, shut up and not say anything???? spanone Sep 2013 #247

Zimmerman has already gotten a "Capital Sentence" nikto Sep 2013 #254

A simple exhumation should solve all this 7962 Sep 2013 #258

So he perjured himself on the stand and when he wrote the official autopsy report? hack89 Sep 2013 #259

Me thinks the $100 million dollar lawsuit might have something to do with it. Rex Sep 2013 #268

IF this is true, and IF Dr. Bao HAD kept quiet, gee, would that be called a....conspiracy?! WinkyDink Sep 2013 #271