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freshwest

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206. Only problem will be a version of the ENRON shredding team. If they accidentally recorded the words.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:29 AM
Sep 2013

It's getting harder to nail the crooks down in the digital age. They just keep revising the data. Paper trails are best, in ballots and other things, and so are video and audio recordings. But there may not be one.

I've seen some groups refuse to make any kind of record of any type, insisting nothing be recorded or not writing it down. The want to escape being held accountable.

All the better for them to say whatever was done, said or agreed to, never happened. Then comes the 'Who, us? you're crazy, we'd never do or say that' goatrope.

It's maddening trying to nail crooks down. Investigations are getting harder to do.

Well this sounds interesting Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #1
Wow... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #11
They still come to the Zimmerman threads etherealtruth Sep 2013 #167
If I ever, ever got into trouble, Willie Gary would be the one to call. He is the best, and just monmouth3 Sep 2013 #2
I'm certainly taking note. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #27
Yep, they've met their match now brush Sep 2013 #40
Lousy prosecution! JDPriestly Sep 2013 #71
That was my interpretation, also. Her demeanour, and the way the trial was run, was wrong. freshwest Sep 2013 #90
I didn't watch.. that must have been Awful! I'm so Cha Sep 2013 #157
I didn't watch it live, just saw a lot of clips of news coverage and the trial. It was disturbing. freshwest Sep 2013 #223
Well said n/t Mira Sep 2013 #204
Yup I totally agree with you gopiscrap Sep 2013 #230
Those federal charges that they could have pressed against GZ - can they be used to try jwirr Sep 2013 #128
Only problem will be a version of the ENRON shredding team. If they accidentally recorded the words. freshwest Sep 2013 #206
I hope so and I am wondering if they can prove gopiscrap Sep 2013 #231
They really couldn't have charged Zimmy Federally, but this is perfect. sir pball Sep 2013 #267
Yup that was exactly what I was thinking also gopiscrap Sep 2013 #229
That is the least likely scenario PorridgeGun Sep 2013 #237
See you're still drinking the Kool-Aid brush Sep 2013 #238
Dancing around the actual facts and sticking your heads in the sand isn't going to get you very far PorridgeGun Sep 2013 #249
You're not worth much more of my time but I'll say this brush Sep 2013 #250
Here's another 7962 Sep 2013 #257
The attacker was obviously deranged, but again . . . brush Sep 2013 #260
Trayvon shouldn't have been walking while black. onehandle Sep 2013 #3
It would have been more credible leftynyc Sep 2013 #4
While I agree that he should have came out sooner... Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #8
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #62
Ronnie... pintobean Sep 2013 #66
Another voice from the cheap seats. And ronnie, among other things, was a fool. jtuck004 Sep 2013 #67
6th friggin troll Ive seen today! bunnies Sep 2013 #73
Happens when they start spraying for bugs around the stones in the bridges. Makes 'em swarm. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2013 #115
More like dusting the sewer lines. Nasty sewer roaches. Eeeeek. lonestarnot Sep 2013 #205
LOL. I think the forum you're looking for is right here... DanTex Sep 2013 #72
Aw, what did it say? I hate missing these trolls. Thanks, MIRT! freshwest Sep 2013 #96
I am sure that was his point of entry n/t etherealtruth Sep 2013 #255
Oh MIRT! uppityperson Sep 2013 #77
Stealing....nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #175
Sid made it for us earlier in the year. I bookmarked it. uppityperson Sep 2013 #182
He lost his job anyway. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #173
Not really. The case ended not that long ago. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #76
Nail on the head. Roland99 Sep 2013 #80
Not a surprise...I really do hope some heads roll in the DA's office...nt joeybee12 Sep 2013 #5
We definitely need an airing in Florida. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #32
I can only imagine it would end up more of the same... joeybee12 Sep 2013 #74
This is a county that is still protecting a secret that would uncover Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #84
I don't know where the woman who prosecuted the case is from... joeybee12 Sep 2013 #93
I think she rose to her level of incompetence. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #97
Rick Scott appointed her HockeyMom Sep 2013 #150
Jackie Robinson heaven05 Sep 2013 #225
Too little - too late JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #6
Isn't this being reviewed at a federal level? Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #35
I think JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #47
That's how it generally happens. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #51
I'm pretty much in the "He was tried and he won" camp. gvstn Sep 2013 #88
It isn't always double jeopardy -- not if it is a different crime, a very different charge. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #101
Corruption on the state level KamaAina Sep 2013 #109
I understand that but there is a difference between corruption and incompetence. gvstn Sep 2013 #119
Their attitude according to Bao was that "he deserved what he got". That does not sound like jwirr Sep 2013 #137
erm, I disagree with your comment: Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #146
Indeed... 2naSalit Sep 2013 #197
No one is asking for Federal Charges for murder JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #130
You can get tried in civil and criminal court. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #145
Not double jeopardy. The feds are reviewing to see if Trayvon's civil rights were violated. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #174
Hmmm--Did he lie? lolly Sep 2013 #199
Don't understand what this has to do with double jeopardy. One cannot be tried twice Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #213
He can be sued in a civil court but there is a risk you might not be aware of in Florida. ... spin Sep 2013 #252
ETA: oh, I see what you're asking. Dr. Bao DID lie! He said that didn't remember Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #215
Your responses had nothing to do with my post lolly Sep 2013 #235
I corrected myself and I corrected you. Get your facts straight. Dr. Bao DID lie on the Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #248
Well, between testifying and now, there's a lie Recursion Sep 2013 #264
Not double jeopardy wryter2000 Sep 2013 #189
Yes, the Feds are looking at a civil rights case against Zimmerman Gothmog Sep 2013 #148
Yes... but I hope he gets his $100M and gives the majority of it to the Martins and Rachel. freshwest Sep 2013 #103
I hope he does too JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #123
When you're on the stand, you can only answer the questions that are asked. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #126
And now we're cooking... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #7
I have to delete gun threads. It is just too heartbreaking to me that so many DUers came to liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #10
Yes, but the gun nuts didn't *have* to make Zimmerman their poster boy. Nine Sep 2013 #28
I haven't heard too many come to his defense since the Shellie incident. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #39
I agree Skittles Sep 2013 #187
I put 'em all on ignore Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #46
I really don't believe that most of them were pro gun; I think they were racists. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #217
If proven true, avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #9
nope... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #13
That's terrible. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #15
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2013 #20
I don't think anything could be done to reverse the verdict Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #14
I think the people involved in the cover-ups avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #24
I was vague about what I mean when I say sanctions Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #36
No, this is the United States jberryhill Sep 2013 #55
why not a retrial if information was withheld? robinlynne Sep 2013 #68
double jeopardy. Myrina Sep 2013 #79
Please please please tell me you were born outside the US. Because no person could possibly kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #122
What HS civics class? jeff47 Sep 2013 #135
No wonder people are so utterly clueless about their rights and the law............. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #138
You don't know Tien1985 Sep 2013 #214
Does that sentiment also apply to civility too? LanternWaste Sep 2013 #240
Or how to perform a lung transplant also. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #243
A bad case. TheDeputy Sep 2013 #12
Right on cue, as predicted...Just like clockwork... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #17
its his first day on the job. bobduca Sep 2013 #26
+1 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #34
n/t JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #38
Really? TheDeputy Sep 2013 #42
Yes really JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #49
And Dr. Bao will reveal that the evidence was gamed. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #64
Lol, 47 posts! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #207
Wish Zimmie JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #19
Oh brother maddezmom Sep 2013 #33
It was not a bad case. Just bad people in law enforcement gaming the evidence. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #43
"gamble your house"? Precisely Sep 2013 #52
Did you not read what Bao's attorney said? brush Sep 2013 #53
It's legal / prosecutorial malpractice. King_Klonopin Sep 2013 #210
Why would you use a 'betting your house' analogy? Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #61
and an innocent teenager dying? robinlynne Sep 2013 #69
No one has to gamble their house. What overblown hyperbole. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #82
I agree except that Zimmerman was never on the stand yet the prosecution stupidly put his JDPriestly Sep 2013 #110
Such a bad misinterpretation of "reasonable doubt" gollygee Sep 2013 #131
The trial had more evidence than most -- all the audio recordings KurtNYC Sep 2013 #165
There is no such recording pintobean Sep 2013 #168
One of the 911 calls that was used in the trial caught the gunshot and his screams KurtNYC Sep 2013 #170
Didnt both sides say the voice was their guy? 7962 Sep 2013 #256
Yes there was. The recording was barred from being heard. Again, another piece of Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #219
The point is that evidence was deliberately withheld. Evidence which very well could have made nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #178
and thus speaks our law enforcement professional. what kind of pizza do you prefer? niyad Sep 2013 #190
Well, that's what the OP is about lolly Sep 2013 #200
yeah,in that county heaven05 Sep 2013 #226
Or get shot on the way home from a convenience store? LanternWaste Sep 2013 #241
"He says their general attitude was that he got what he deserved," Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #16
Yes, many on DU felt the same way uponit7771 Sep 2013 #22
+ 10000 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #58
That is the problem. It is a lynch mob mentality. LiberalFighter Sep 2013 #29
this. nt BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2013 #203
Wow. That is messed up, in my opinion. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #18
Those in power in that community are corrupt. LiberalFighter Sep 2013 #21
I didn't know it was in the same city or even county, yeap...in that case I'd stay the hell uponit7771 Sep 2013 #25
Based on one response to the story LiberalFighter Sep 2013 #37
Shellie's 911 call claimed that Zimmerman was in his car with his gun. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #48
This ought to give ammunition to the Federal Government. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #23
+1 Little Star Sep 2013 #41
+1. Nt DeschutesRiver Sep 2013 #112
Can we speculate on exactly what evidence he has? Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #30
Bao says he has scientific evidence that Trayvon was not on top Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #44
But in the meantime, what sort of evidence might this be? Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #50
Forensic evidence, possibly the way the body was positioned Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #56
I'm thinking something like squished internal organs that show someone had been sitting on him? Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #85
More on Dr. Bao and what compelled him to sue JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #31
+1, They wanted to fire him for "poor communication" Yeap, he was about to blow their case wide open uponit7771 Sep 2013 #83
And notice JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #124
Did they rip his tongue out when they fired him? wercal Sep 2013 #181
I imagine your faith in your powers of prophecy is quite strong. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #242
Its a prophecy based in past experience wercal Sep 2013 #245
There are still plenty of people who think Sibel Edmonds is going to talk some day soon (nt) Recursion Sep 2013 #265
Rrrriigghht Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #45
Did Bao ever testify or otherwise attest under oath to the veracity of his statements? leveymg Sep 2013 #54
Read the article, it says he was waiting for a question that was never asked Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #60
I was just asking and providing context to my question. leveymg Sep 2013 #86
Does he have opinion or fact? pintobean Sep 2013 #57
He says that he has scientific evidence that he wanted to present in court Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #63
Yes, I read the story. pintobean Sep 2013 #70
It might be that the weird behavior was a manifestation of him not being able to talk about Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #104
The guy had his notes at trial pintobean Sep 2013 #111
Maybe he felt a conflict between what he believed to be the truth and the prosecutors' view of the JDPriestly Sep 2013 #120
ought to have his medical license revoked markiv Sep 2013 #59
His medical license should be revoked because he was not allowed to present evidence? Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #75
that's BS markiv Sep 2013 #81
Judges will only allow witnesses to answer the questions asked of them Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #87
so they didnt ask about how the guy died? they just asked about baseball? markiv Sep 2013 #91
You know nothing about working for good ole boys. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #94
and you do? markiv Sep 2013 #95
I know of someone in the county who was fired because he refused to do something Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #106
Read the article, they did not ask him if the evidence showed who was on top Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #99
Yes, Bernie asked him about that. pintobean Sep 2013 #142
Either Dr Bao perjured himself in court cpwm17 Sep 2013 #152
It's a pretty definitive answer to a yes/no question. pintobean Sep 2013 #156
The "closest" eye witness said he can't mzmolly Sep 2013 #261
He had the best look at the assault: from outside cpwm17 Sep 2013 #262
It is known that the man and child struggled on the ground. mzmolly Sep 2013 #269
TM was seventeen years old cpwm17 Sep 2013 #270
It is know that a 17 year old mzmolly Sep 2013 #272
The voice does not sound like a child to me cpwm17 Sep 2013 #273
Accent? Zimmerman is a native to Florida. He was born in the US. mzmolly Sep 2013 #274
John Good said the person on the bottom was wearing red cpwm17 Sep 2013 #275
He said red or white colored shirt. mzmolly Sep 2013 #276
Courts work on the most precise narrow interpretation of a question. Chan790 Sep 2013 #108
He is not claiming that he lied. He is claiming that he was not given the opportunity to state JDPriestly Sep 2013 #121
Does anyone here really believe that an ME cant write their conclusions in a report? markiv Sep 2013 #144
Remember all the DUers screaming about how we shouldnt boycott Florida....? Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #65
Does anyone with knowledge about such things have an example of what that might be? John_Carter Sep 2013 #78
That's what I'm wondering about as well Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #92
Weren't the reports available to the public? John_Carter Sep 2013 #98
Possibly, yes Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #100
Good Point Captain Stern Sep 2013 #113
It would show an institutionalized system of laws DearAbby Sep 2013 #127
Again... John_Carter Sep 2013 #133
The Failure on the Prosecution's part in asking the Question DearAbby Sep 2013 #134
Why isn't it in the released autopsy report? John_Carter Sep 2013 #202
Well, it's a wild-ass guess jeff47 Sep 2013 #143
I grow sadder as this JimboBillyBubbaBob Sep 2013 #89
Isn't that the guy who said he needed notes because he couldn't remember anything about the autopsy? dkf Sep 2013 #102
What lie are you alleging he told under oath? Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #105
Medical examiner: 'No memory' of Martin autopsy dkf Sep 2013 #107
Not remembering all the details and having to refer to notes is not proof he lied Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #114
Click on the link to his testimony. dkf Sep 2013 #117
If you take everyone's words absolutely literally then everyone is a chronic liar Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #125
That is not relevant. He may have had no memory of that day and yet, upon reviewing his notes, JDPriestly Sep 2013 #129
But he has nothing other than his notes which were there for all to see. dkf Sep 2013 #140
The notes will merely be his observations of the physical reality in front of him. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #162
I'm just saying there are no bombshells he could have offered. dkf Sep 2013 #163
The question was asked and answered at trial. pintobean Sep 2013 #164
BULLSHIT!!! Someone got to him! He admits this in his statement!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #218
He said he needed notes to remember it. Which makes sense since he does a lot of autopsies. The... JVS Sep 2013 #193
He said he had no memory of that day. I linked to it above. dkf Sep 2013 #195
I think this is it Duer 157099 Sep 2013 #116
everything about this sham of a trial stinks to high heaven noiretextatique Sep 2013 #118
I don't believe a word of it. Soundman Sep 2013 #132
isn't covering a murder warrior1 Sep 2013 #136
You mean the fix was in? Knock me over with a feather.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #139
No shit! I told ya'll it was collusion! I told you!! That Bao can't remember that he Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #141
This information may help Federal Case Gothmog Sep 2013 #147
I will go to my grave believing that collusion took place in this case... Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #149
Floating in the river my ass! Sissyk Sep 2013 #169
He got on the stand and flat out LIED. The fact that he's not in jail for perjury Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #172
I care, Liberal Stalwart71! Sissyk Sep 2013 #179
I definitely began to suspect it during that weak-assed prosecution Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #191
First he said he was fired becase he is Chinese Yandorio Sep 2013 #151
'Cherry Picking' - Soooo annoying Ohio Joe Sep 2013 #176
He's going to sue them in the same court that acquitted Zimmerman? tularetom Sep 2013 #153
I am strongly getting the impression that Zimmerman has people protecting him Matariki Sep 2013 #154
Like the recent domestic dispute called in to 911 by his wife. King_Klonopin Sep 2013 #212
Is this something that can cause an appeal of the verdict? Generic Other Sep 2013 #155
See post #142 pintobean Sep 2013 #159
Interesting that so many others are ruining their reputations, Generic Other Sep 2013 #161
Double jeopardy (Fifth Amendment) prevents appeal of an acquittal. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #184
"may be a scumbag murderer"? heaven05 Sep 2013 #227
I hate Grammar Nazis NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #233
sorry you don't feel heaven05 Sep 2013 #234
Thank you NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #236
Zimmerman MURDERED that kid, knowingly and with malice alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #158
What is the lawsuit for? Wrongful termination? 100 million? NCTraveler Sep 2013 #160
Thanks Bjorn Against for posting this red dog 1 Sep 2013 #166
I asked early on in a post if the prosecution was intentionally trying to lose notadmblnd Sep 2013 #171
you weren't heaven05 Sep 2013 #228
I can see an agent running to shut him up. "Save it for the book deal!" Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #177
Predictions wercal Sep 2013 #180
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #222
Didn't Zimmerman have some sort of connection to the police? johnd83 Sep 2013 #183
My Criticism Of The Trial From The Beginning Has Been DallasNE Sep 2013 #185
As much as I think Zman is a murderer, Bao's testimony was awful. Hoyt Sep 2013 #186
But, can't you see, he was DELIBERATELY awful!! He was told to be. He's trying to tell Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #220
I TOLD YOU SO! Th1onein Sep 2013 #188
Someone was the aggressor just by FOLLOWING Trayvon... tokenlib Sep 2013 #192
State Attorney Corey should go to prison for intentional obstruction of justice. Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #194
K & R Scurrilous Sep 2013 #196
This could be yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #198
That trial was a sick joke. NealK Sep 2013 #201
My big question about Zimmerman is... nikto Sep 2013 #208
Zimmerman claimed he stopped pursuing TorchTheWitch Sep 2013 #211
Does anybody here know... nikto Sep 2013 #209
It was an overcharged case davidn3600 Sep 2013 #216
Yeah, "shoot for the moon"... nikto Sep 2013 #253
K&R n/t myrna minx Sep 2013 #221
Duh, like I'm surprised. heaven05 Sep 2013 #224
""He wanted a question that would have allowed him to explain to the jury with scientific evidence.. PorridgeGun Sep 2013 #232
Oh please... Nine Sep 2013 #244
Funny. isn't it? PorridgeGun Sep 2013 #246
Again I say, Oh please... Nine Sep 2013 #251
Z also knew the CCTV cameras were not operating in that neighborhood uponit7771 Sep 2013 #263
good point (nt) Nine Sep 2013 #266
When I read that a detective wanted to charge Zim with homicide and Rex Sep 2013 #239
so why did he zip his lips, shut up and not say anything???? spanone Sep 2013 #247
Zimmerman has already gotten a "Capital Sentence" nikto Sep 2013 #254
A simple exhumation should solve all this 7962 Sep 2013 #258
So he perjured himself on the stand and when he wrote the official autopsy report? hack89 Sep 2013 #259
Me thinks the $100 million dollar lawsuit might have something to do with it. Rex Sep 2013 #268
IF this is true, and IF Dr. Bao HAD kept quiet, gee, would that be called a....conspiracy?! WinkyDink Sep 2013 #271
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