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Maybe, just maybe, Obama is smarter than some of you [View all] Yavin4 Sep 2013 OP

Maybe, just maybe, some of you hero-worship the man like jr. high kids. polichick Sep 2013 #1

So it is hero worship to recognize someone else might be smarter than you are? treestar Sep 2013 #8

Of course not, but all this 3D chess stuff and "I got this" posters are juvenile. polichick Sep 2013 #10

The "3D chess stuff" and "I got this" is proven correct over and over and over again. tridim Sep 2013 #52

Yeah, it was 3D chess when he wouldn't consider single payer and 3D chess... polichick Sep 2013 #71

He tried to get single payer and Congress said no. tridim Sep 2013 #80

Sorry, single payer was off the table from the get-go... polichick Sep 2013 #82

Obama Needed All 60 Democrats In The Senate To Break The Filibuster DallasNE Sep 2013 #157

To break the filibuster that never happened AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #279

WE had both Houses of Congress, plus the Nurses... Octafish Sep 2013 #158

Yep, the WH traded single payer away early on... polichick Sep 2013 #167

No study the Congress, even that one treestar Sep 2013 #177

The people were for it - and also most Dems... polichick Sep 2013 #178

Then people need to friggin' vote for representatives who will vote for it treestar Sep 2013 #222

Who was "sitting around playing the victim"??? We were airing ads... polichick Sep 2013 #225

Well that's not very smart negotiating. You ask for more than what you want and settle for what you cui bono Sep 2013 #208

It's the latter. EOTE Sep 2013 #229

He took it off the table before the debate even took place. EOTE Sep 2013 #227

Not Liberal! Segami Sep 2013 #250

y-e-a-h...nothing but bitter anger. Sheepshank Sep 2013 #252

Do your homework. polichick Sep 2013 #259

perhpas taking off this filter you have and doing your own would be wiser Sheepshank Sep 2013 #264

My "filter" is policy - that's what I'm interested in, not personalities. polichick Sep 2013 #265

now you are not being completely honest here Sheepshank Sep 2013 #268

Where? Anyone I've worked with in this party knows it's all... polichick Sep 2013 #269

I suppose you know what talking out of one's ass is all about Sheepshank Sep 2013 #271

You make accusations you can't back up... polichick Sep 2013 #272

Another poor attempt to justify lobbing insults by reducing your meme to childish comebacks Sheepshank Sep 2013 #275

You're still not backing up your accusations - just babbling on as distracton. polichick Sep 2013 #276

You are asking me to back up your constant need to personally insult...that backing up? Sheepshank Sep 2013 #286

LOL - what you've proven is that you can't back up your claims... polichick Sep 2013 #287

He did not try for single payer, he never even fought for the public option. cui bono Sep 2013 #205

If Obama didn't want single payer and was never willing to fight for it, Sheepshank Sep 2013 #254

Who acknowledges that he's a good negotiator? cui bono Sep 2013 #273

I'm sorry, that is a lie Doctor_J Sep 2013 #221

It's become blindingly obvious to me over the last few decades Abq_Sarah Sep 2013 #224

Bullshit. He took it off the table before the debate even began. EOTE Sep 2013 #226

So you're claim is he didn't want single payer?! This is where these stupid positions loose all... uponit7771 Sep 2013 #96

If he wanted it, he would've allowed single-payer advocates... polichick Sep 2013 #107

BULL FUCKIN SHIT!!! "allowed" my ass, this is the winger "Obama is dictator" position so he can do.. uponit7771 Sep 2013 #110

You're sounding a bit unhinged. polichick Sep 2013 #126

Nah, just not accpeting BS this afternoon... uponit7771 Sep 2013 #132

No shit. Bobbie Jo Sep 2013 #137

you lose. veganlush Sep 2013 #156

Uh, no...Only according to you, it seems. n/t whathehell Sep 2013 #282

Yeah, a bit. n/t cui bono Sep 2013 #210

Huh? NealK Sep 2013 #134

Winger meme = Obama controls everything even congress so it doesn't matter what they do or think uponit7771 Sep 2013 #135

Unless you're talking about geopolitical squabbles that work out well, apparently. Marr Sep 2013 #143

Touche. n/t cui bono Sep 2013 #207

What an immature response. cui bono Sep 2013 #206

If you've watched Rachel Maddow you would know that Politifact has pretty much no credibilty. cui bono Sep 2013 #209

So if congress was to vote a non binding res for single payer in both house and senate uponit7771 Sep 2013 #217

You're not dealing with the reality of what happened, you're just making up a false scenario. cui bono Sep 2013 #219

Since you're concerned about stupidity.. whathehell Sep 2013 #236

that was really petty or is it petti, or pety, or peti Sheepshank Sep 2013 #255

Sorry, I don't agree...I'm seeing way too much of it from all quarters. whathehell Sep 2013 #262

Yeah, we've all heard that line a lot..... Sheepshank Sep 2013 #267

Yeah, but It seems you haven't heard it enough, especially if whathehell Sep 2013 #280

I think history will prove that it was indeed 3D chess. How many administrations have tried and.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2013 #160

When you use terms like "haters" and "spoiled children" you give yourself away. polichick Sep 2013 #162

And being compared to a "hero-worshipping junior high kid" doesn't "give you away"? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2013 #163

"Maybe, just maybe, some of you hero-worship the man like jr. high kids." polichick Sep 2013 #164

As do I. So much for that mirror you tried to place in my hand. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2013 #165

Where's the "hating" behavior you refer to?... polichick Sep 2013 #168

You do know that some EU countries are moving to a market based healthcare system, don't you? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2013 #169

That's why it's "spoiled" to want single payer? Try again. polichick Sep 2013 #170

Because obviously it's only those who disagree with you who are biased? mythology Sep 2013 #223

Unlike those who think Obama is smarter than the whole world and always has... polichick Sep 2013 #237

He's only smart if he agrees lock step with you what to do treestar Sep 2013 #175

Where do you get that? I agree with him when I agree with him... polichick Sep 2013 #176

He can only be "wrong" or "mistaken" if he is NOT smart? whathehell Sep 2013 #240

Like when all the Banksters went to jail? Octafish Sep 2013 #151

I kinda agree there, but, see that they do it just in good fun, blm Sep 2013 #53

Some do it in good fun; some seem dead serious about it... polichick Sep 2013 #75

Geez - I hope they aren't dead serious about it. That would blm Sep 2013 #83

Juvenile and a bit deluded. earthside Sep 2013 #201

Yes, and I do think there's some psychological racism going on. It's not on a conscious level, Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #93

LOL - if Obama voters don't think he's Superman, they're racists?! polichick Sep 2013 #108

I knew this bullshit was coming. I didn't call anyone a racist. Please learn how to read... Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #111

So we're racists (but don't know it) because we don't think he's Superman... polichick Sep 2013 #120

Yep, just more of their binary thinking. RC Sep 2013 #136

When will we realize that "being smart", even exceptionally so, isn't Everything? whathehell Sep 2013 #233

acknowledging this "Fact" doesn't make anyone a mindless hero worshipper Sheepshank Sep 2013 #253

What a load. I agree with this administration plenty - when it serves... polichick Sep 2013 #258

You are absolutely correct. In the political arena especially, one's loyalties whathehell Sep 2013 #284

Thank-you! polichick Sep 2013 #285

You're very welcome. n/t whathehell Sep 2013 #288

i wouldnt go that far. but... "maybe, Obama is smarter than some of you" seabeyond Sep 2013 #2

Yeah, it bothers some people shenmue Sep 2013 #3

It was Putin's idea. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #15

It's not as though repeated American complaints about chemical weapons weren't a hint. Orsino Sep 2013 #31

It could be good cop bad cop iandhr Sep 2013 #79

Cause Obama was about to hit Syria with some ice cream sandwhiches!? really?!!? Obama had NOTHING uponit7771 Sep 2013 #100

He's not as smart as Bay Boy Sep 2013 #4

Kind of hard to deny with a straight face in this case (assuming things go as they appear). Hoyt Sep 2013 #5

and maybe some of you are not even Americans at all and are cheering for failure of this President VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #6

So you are saying all foreigners are rooting against the United States? RC Sep 2013 #138

did the post say "all"? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #139

Yeah, your post did and it did imply that if one was a foreigner they were against the United States RC Sep 2013 #142

A recurrent theme with that one: dgibby Sep 2013 #270

You done lost it now. nt laundry_queen Sep 2013 #172

does anyone here believe that? arrows2flowers Sep 2013 #7

I'm willing to admit that he's smarter than I am... joeybee12 Sep 2013 #9

No, it seems he can't, and if you DARE to suggest that, you are "racist". whathehell Sep 2013 #244

so are most presidents Enrique Sep 2013 #11

Oh Enrique, tblue Sep 2013 #213

He's certainly smarter than folks who write OPs like this cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #12

My thought too Hydra Sep 2013 #24

LOL! City Lights Sep 2013 #27

*chuckle* Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #45

Heheheh. Iggo Sep 2013 #64

Oh burn. Your scintillating intellect on display! Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #90

exactly RetroLounge Sep 2013 #97

Obama would just laugh Skittles Sep 2013 #179

Oh gosh, Cthulhu2016, tblue Sep 2013 #214

He probably IS smarter than most -- What's that got to do with anything? whathehell Sep 2013 #239

Or OPs like this... SidDithers Sep 2013 #305

Three points DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #13

Race is important because a lot of people cannot handle an African American being smarter Yavin4 Sep 2013 #23

I think even the biggest bigot would concede there is somebody of a different race smarter than him. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #26

How many Klan members you personally know? bobclark86 Sep 2013 #123

I know folks who have gripes with Jewish folks DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #127

I don't think any group of people -- any race, ethnicity, gender or religion -- whathehell Sep 2013 #291

I don't think any group has a monopoly on intelligence or wisdom DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #292

That's good, but I don't think that "the source of the animus" whathehell Sep 2013 #294

The reasons are multiple as well as irrational as is most if not all forms of bigotry./nt DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #295

I agree with most of that, but think it might have been better if you'd said that the first time, whathehell Sep 2013 #296

braggadocio ??? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #298

Where did I suggest that "the belief that Jews are unintelligent is the basis of anti-semistism"? whathehell Sep 2013 #299

I'm losing track of this discussion. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #300

Okay. n/t whathehell Sep 2013 #301

Having worked with Klans members, and for those who don't believe they exist, yes, they do; also, freshwest Sep 2013 #152

To some degree that's likely, but, then they absolutely eviscerated Kerry, too. blm Sep 2013 #57

Maybe they think Kerry is just an ass HangOnKids Sep 2013 #74

I accept there are a lot of uninformed people in the media and everywhere. blm Sep 2013 #84

No, sorry they think he is an ass HangOnKids Sep 2013 #87

That says more about them than it does him. blm Sep 2013 #92

Yes, based off him following Obama...with ODS Kerry gets a pass uponit7771 Sep 2013 #104

i think there was some racism in those who made it seem like Kerry was running things JI7 Sep 2013 #195

Yeah, the was basically Robert Reich's angle. blm Sep 2013 #196

That may be true for some people. I have no problem admitting that Obama is far smarter ... spin Sep 2013 #98

Maybe on Free Republic...Not here...I think it may be YOU who has the race problem. whathehell Sep 2013 #243

2) Some people HATE... HATE with a PASSION to see their world view not validated..HATE!!! uponit7771 Sep 2013 #103

Yes, including you, it seems. whathehell Sep 2013 #241

And maybe, just maybe, he's not. ocpagu Sep 2013 #14

I voted for that man for a reason - not only is he brilliant, he also has a heart. Avalux Sep 2013 #16

If we had a "like" button, Rainngirl Sep 2013 #118

You know, I was almost onboard with this. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #17

I wouldn't doubt that cali Sep 2013 #18

Did you seriously just accuse DUer's of racism? Really? tkmorris Sep 2013 #19

Yes. I did. Yavin4 Sep 2013 #25

Definitely. I watched those groups whine about affirmative action as it really got rolling in the freshwest Sep 2013 #129

Excellent ! n/t jaysunb Sep 2013 #145

Yes, the accusation is made more than you might imagine. whathehell Sep 2013 #242

He is clearly highly intelligent. I doubt many hear here question that. GoneFishin Sep 2013 #20

Put the race card back in the deck LittleBlue Sep 2013 #21

I recced this just to unrec it. cali Sep 2013 #22

Are you African American? Yavin4 Sep 2013 #36

b.s. Enrique Sep 2013 #39

As I said in post 37 below LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #41

.... cali Sep 2013 #46

+1 totodeinhere Sep 2013 #49

I think I'll pull the gay card. David__77 Sep 2013 #60

Being a woman or disabled in this country is hardly comparitive to being a black in this country. lumpy Sep 2013 #212

"Being a woman or disabled in this country is hardly comparative to being black in this country" whathehell Sep 2013 #281

And yet the member that posted Puglover Sep 2013 #230

Thank you! whathehell Sep 2013 #245

i am african american, i think this thread is silly noiretextatique Sep 2013 #56

Yep, he's very smart. I also think he's cali Sep 2013 #61

thanks, cali noiretextatique Sep 2013 #73

Thank you, yes, I think he's exceptionally, smart, but even "smart" people make mistakes whathehell Sep 2013 #246

it is getting really irritating noiretextatique Sep 2013 #260

Yes, it is and I think it diverts us away from sensible discussions. n/t whathehell Sep 2013 #290

Wow, that's pretty assholish RetroLounge Sep 2013 #105

Being "assholish" is what DU has become Yavin4 Sep 2013 #113

Well, you're out in front of the pack with your racist bullshit RetroLounge Sep 2013 #115

If you're not racist, then my OP was not directed to you Yavin4 Sep 2013 #122

I'm often offended by stupid posts RetroLounge Sep 2013 #124

Thank you. whathehell Sep 2013 #249

bwahahahaha. curious way to admit what you are. cali Sep 2013 #131

fuck that shit.. frylock Sep 2013 #150

As a gay man, I find your post offensive. sibelian Sep 2013 #171

Are you Female?...Are you Gay?...Are you Disabled? whathehell Sep 2013 #247

As an ambitious politician he's aces. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #28

Obama is smart avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #29

and Putin has nice man nipples n/t Tveil Sep 2013 #44

Your "thinly veiled" accusation of RACISM bobduca Sep 2013 #30

I missed the "thinly veiled" part... the OP states it. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #32

yeah i should have air quoted it like you did, that was the intention. bobduca Sep 2013 #35

Nothing thinly about it. Yavin4 Sep 2013 #38

Yes everyone who opposes Obama is a racist bobduca Sep 2013 #40

DU has become infested with Paulbots Yavin4 Sep 2013 #42

Yes everyone who opposes Obama is a racist bobduca Sep 2013 #48

and everyone who opposes war is a paulbot.. frylock Sep 2013 #154

another false accusation from you. cali Sep 2013 #50

Not everyone who opposes Obama on certain issues is a Paulbot or racist NuclearDem Sep 2013 #58

low hanging fruit. sibelian Sep 2013 #235

Nah, just those who use racist memes, talking points, perspectives and reflexive hate might be uponit7771 Sep 2013 #106

Can you please point out some DUers using racists memes? LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #182

Where on DU have you seen "racist memes, talking points, perspectives and 'reflective hate'? whathehell Sep 2013 #289

Tell us about the 80 Communists in the House, Allen West. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #85

yeh, no shit.. frylock Sep 2013 #153

Well here's an easy test LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #180

and yet you use one perceived insult, to add your own insult those who support Obama via BOG? Sheepshank Sep 2013 #256

Considering he isn't spending his time posting random shit on message boards snooper2 Sep 2013 #33

So special. HappyMe Sep 2013 #77

Or maybe he's smarter than you. And more corrupt....:) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #34

Yes, Obama is very smart LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #37

His problem is he thinks he is smarter and more persuasive than he actually is. dkf Sep 2013 #43

Of course he's smart, but that doesn't mean that he's always right. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #47

Even though it appears we may get a favorable outcome (no intervention in Syria) Maedhros Sep 2013 #51

Because.. philosslayer Sep 2013 #65

Yes - there are those whose political sense of well-being is so dependent upon the President's image Maedhros Sep 2013 #148

No one disagree with Maedhros Shivering Jemmy Sep 2013 #181

How's that strawman working for you? LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #184

Everything works fine for me Shivering Jemmy Sep 2013 #186

Except logic LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #187

Nah that works great too. Shivering Jemmy Sep 2013 #188

Yeah, only racists complain about his bumbling incoherent diplomacy on Syria NoOneMan Sep 2013 #54

The most extreme left in this country find President Obama to be a disappointment because he has not msanthrope Sep 2013 #55

No. LWolf Sep 2013 #306

Somebody better go tell the extreme Left they don't exist. mt msanthrope Sep 2013 #307

They don't exist here. LWolf Sep 2013 #308

Oh..they are here. The "Rand Paul/Putin" fan club is proof of that. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #309

Er...no. LWolf Sep 2013 #310

I think that's part of the problem here. Obama is a brilliant man. Zen Democrat Sep 2013 #59

+1,000. freshwest Sep 2013 #193

Nah.. Most here know and acknowledge his brilliance..They just don't confuse it with infallibility whathehell Sep 2013 #293

My my, the lefty version of "Palin-envy" stupidicus Sep 2013 #62

He's smarter than somebody, that's for sure. Iggo Sep 2013 #63

Yep, that must be it . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #66

Not maybe Jessy169 Sep 2013 #67

Oh, I'm pretty sure he's way smarter than me tularetom Sep 2013 #68

Nice conspiracy theory you got there. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #69

you cheapen legitimate arguments and debates about matters of race with this bigtree Sep 2013 #70

This OP reminds me..... ClarkJonathanKent Sep 2013 #72

Ya' think! Scurrilous Sep 2013 #76

....put together Schema Thing Sep 2013 #78

You mean... iandhr Sep 2013 #81

That's possible. But then again,... badtoworse Sep 2013 #86

:puke: 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #88

"but maybe he's better at this than you are at whatever you do for a living..." R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #89

this is just about trying to shut down criticism of the President cali Sep 2013 #109

But the unintentional irony that comes from them is so very amusing. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #114

I've seen this behavior up close and personal Maedhros Sep 2013 #189

AMEN!! The self-righteous indignation is simply breathtaking. I am 100% confident in this president. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #91

Maybe you're using race to cover up for your own inadequacies. last1standing Sep 2013 #94

boom! frylock Sep 2013 #155

Yeah, he's pretty smart. So? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #95

Single word answer should suffice......... BrainDrain Sep 2013 #99

No maybe about it. The MSM and RWNJs are apoplectic. CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #101

he has certainly killed more women and kids than I have or ever will. Is that a sign of smartness? msongs Sep 2013 #102

Obama is precognitively omniscient Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #112

Precomniscient! He's Precomniscient! R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #128

reccing this is contemptible cali Sep 2013 #116

Reccing. n/t Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #185

It's arguably racist to support him tblue Sep 2013 #215

Thank you, I agree, but supporting him with 'low expectations"? whathehell Sep 2013 #257

By "low expectations" tblue Sep 2013 #302

Okay, I get what you're saying.. whathehell Sep 2013 #303

I am definitely prejudiced felix_numinous Sep 2013 #117

oy nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #119

Hearty K&R. You'd think they'd learn by now Whisp Sep 2013 #121

He seems to be smarter than me. salib Sep 2013 #125

He probably is smarter than me. vi5 Sep 2013 #130

Or maybe, just maybe... krispos42 Sep 2013 #133

Right on Yavin4 rury Sep 2013 #140

Yeah...this multi-level chess player is AWESOME! Roland99 Sep 2013 #141

Maybe that idea makes you happy. sibelian Sep 2013 #144

Everything is by Perspective 4Q2u2 Sep 2013 #146

And then maybe he's not as smart as you think he is. Leontius Sep 2013 #147

ODS Type 2.. frylock Sep 2013 #149

Oh good, we're trotting out the Criticize-Pres.-Obama-therefore-racist thread again. DRoseDARs Sep 2013 #159

Really? Then where is single payer? Safetykitten Sep 2013 #161

he's smarter than the vast majority here Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #166

Maybe it has jack shit to do with anything. Some people like to fight the power IronLionZion Sep 2013 #173

Another accusation of racism. pa28 Sep 2013 #174

'Some of you'? So you are leaving yourself as an exclusion in the 'you'? Rex Sep 2013 #183

Shit like that is why I don't take you fans seriously. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #190

I think without accusing anyone of "racism" that Cha Sep 2013 #191

Boink. Scurrilous Sep 2013 #192

I'm damned sure that I'm better at MY job than Obama is at MY job. MH1 Sep 2013 #194

Maybe some of you try to paint being anti-war as being racist. former9thward Sep 2013 #197

did I mention that smoking pot stimulates micro-glial growth? n/t nebenaube Sep 2013 #198

And maybe some of us are smarter than he is Doctor_J Sep 2013 #199

No, none of us are. nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #248

And maybe it's not always about "smarts" jimlup Sep 2013 #200

Maybe you have no idea where you are posting PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #202

How did this get out of the BOG? Couldnt bait any flames there? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #203

So basically if we disagree with the president we're incompetent at our jobs or racists. cui bono Sep 2013 #204

As for me... Mira Sep 2013 #211

ah wouldn't DU be so much better if it was a place where would could truly celebrate our President, Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #216

I am not a politician. Makes me automatically better than any one of them. idwiyo Sep 2013 #218

so is Henry Kissinger Enrique Sep 2013 #220

enjoy your crumbs, knave. KG Sep 2013 #228

Maybe, just maybe, being exceptionally smart isn't the Be and End All of Everything. whathehell Sep 2013 #231

Maybe some can just not deal LWolf Sep 2013 #232

He hides it well. n/t winter is coming Sep 2013 #234

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #238

He's certainly smarter than his personality cult. kenny blankenship Sep 2013 #251

+1 noiretextatique Sep 2013 #263

No War! orenbus Sep 2013 #261

Or maybe simply that Obama isnt an warmongering idiot... DCBob Sep 2013 #266

Holy shit. This post got 80+ recs. Is DU fucking insane? n/t Dawgs Sep 2013 #274

yes......... madrchsod Sep 2013 #283

And maybe, just maybe, some of us are smarter than him? AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #277

I don't know if he's smarter than most of us but he definitely has more information than ANY of us. OregonBlue Sep 2013 #278

as someone else put it so eloquently so long ago - it is good to see the same philosphy here on DU Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #297

DU rec... SidDithers Sep 2013 #304