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In reply to the discussion: Maybe, just maybe, Obama is smarter than some of you [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)129. Definitely. I watched those groups whine about affirmative action as it really got rolling in the
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Carter years, extending rights to more people and while I found the diversity liberating, others didn't.That increase meant more competition for those who said they were more qualified, and smarter, than the women and minorities entering their field of work. There was a period of whining over 'quotas, lowering standards,' and the implication was plain. Then came Reagan and his 'black welfare queen' routine and they became Reagan Democrats.
Reagan smashed unions, and they lost their rights along with others, and they were surprised. I could have said 'I told you so' but I'd been begging them to think beyond their aversion to sharing power in the workplace to the basis of the principles of unions, but they didn't listen. These were people who had benefited from the labor movement and the expansion of jobs and opportunities earned by all people. They were all progressive, liberal and for equality until they ceased to see themselves as part of a larger group of working people they had wanted to keep a leg up on.
It was so easy to divide them with slick corporate ego manipulation. The same folks went along our work being reduced, divided up and part of it given to lower paid minority firms or outsourcing, so long as they felt they were on top of things, doing the smart part of the work, thinking they would be better than blue collar.
I warned that this would lead to us all being unemployed. But they had come to feel that manual labor was for minorities, when before they felt pride and joy in a job well done with their hands. They thought they could still carve out a place on top in the new world they saw Reagan making.
Yes, there is a mentality, of which of the 'monkey' meme by a poster above (thank you, MIRT) shows, and those who dance around it, if they only thought for a minute, have it too but more nuanced. The reason it's hard to believe is that it's hidden in a place of fear of loss of status, being shoved down to a place they didn't want.
If a black POTUS truly can do a far better job than the whites who preceded them, what becomes of their position in society as WASP or whites, who are in reality, a minority in the world?
I find this to be the root of some so disinterested in basic human rights who now are complaining of liberties many millions of Americans never had. I received a retort wben I defended PBO's record on protecting the rights of women and minorities, by a poster who said he would not put up with his fourth amendment rights being violated just because the government doing so was for equal opportunity. I could have replied with:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014523420#post22
But I've been dealing with the 'I'm a victim, too' mentality for years that crops up from ttime to time, and is endemic with libertarians, baggers, paulites. Countering their sense of 'I'm being oppressed by Obama' results in abuse. I see it as an identity crisis, a feeling of being left behind. It's a bad place to be.
The Tea Party, Libertarian and Paul brand are about creating a new identity, since the old one has been discredited. But it doesn't have to be that way. People can have self-respect not based on feeling superior. In fact, the superior person does not go for ego games.
And yavin, I didn't know you were black, I'm sorry you've had to put up with what's been going on here at DU. I've seen more than on post where you brought up your dissatisfaction, which you expressed well. You don't post much but I like your posts. There are many of all kinds at DU and when I see ignorant posts that do nothing but puff up the one doing the bashing, I ignore them. I agree with your take on this issue, as I have seen it play out before my eyes, for most of my life.
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Of course not, but all this 3D chess stuff and "I got this" posters are juvenile.
polichick
Sep 2013
#10
The "3D chess stuff" and "I got this" is proven correct over and over and over again.
tridim
Sep 2013
#52
Well that's not very smart negotiating. You ask for more than what you want and settle for what you
cui bono
Sep 2013
#208
Another poor attempt to justify lobbing insults by reducing your meme to childish comebacks
Sheepshank
Sep 2013
#275
You're still not backing up your accusations - just babbling on as distracton.
polichick
Sep 2013
#276
You are asking me to back up your constant need to personally insult...that backing up?
Sheepshank
Sep 2013
#286
So you're claim is he didn't want single payer?! This is where these stupid positions loose all...
uponit7771
Sep 2013
#96
BULL FUCKIN SHIT!!! "allowed" my ass, this is the winger "Obama is dictator" position so he can do..
uponit7771
Sep 2013
#110
Winger meme = Obama controls everything even congress so it doesn't matter what they do or think
uponit7771
Sep 2013
#135
Unless you're talking about geopolitical squabbles that work out well, apparently.
Marr
Sep 2013
#143
If you've watched Rachel Maddow you would know that Politifact has pretty much no credibilty.
cui bono
Sep 2013
#209
So if congress was to vote a non binding res for single payer in both house and senate
uponit7771
Sep 2013
#217
You're not dealing with the reality of what happened, you're just making up a false scenario.
cui bono
Sep 2013
#219
I think history will prove that it was indeed 3D chess. How many administrations have tried and....
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2013
#160
When you use terms like "haters" and "spoiled children" you give yourself away.
polichick
Sep 2013
#162
And being compared to a "hero-worshipping junior high kid" doesn't "give you away"?
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2013
#163
You do know that some EU countries are moving to a market based healthcare system, don't you?
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2013
#169
Unlike those who think Obama is smarter than the whole world and always has...
polichick
Sep 2013
#237
Yes, and I do think there's some psychological racism going on. It's not on a conscious level,
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#93
I knew this bullshit was coming. I didn't call anyone a racist. Please learn how to read...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#111
So we're racists (but don't know it) because we don't think he's Superman...
polichick
Sep 2013
#120
When will we realize that "being smart", even exceptionally so, isn't Everything?
whathehell
Sep 2013
#233
You are absolutely correct. In the political arena especially, one's loyalties
whathehell
Sep 2013
#284
It's not as though repeated American complaints about chemical weapons weren't a hint.
Orsino
Sep 2013
#31
Cause Obama was about to hit Syria with some ice cream sandwhiches!? really?!!? Obama had NOTHING
uponit7771
Sep 2013
#100
Kind of hard to deny with a straight face in this case (assuming things go as they appear).
Hoyt
Sep 2013
#5
and maybe some of you are not even Americans at all and are cheering for failure of this President
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#6
Yeah, your post did and it did imply that if one was a foreigner they were against the United States
RC
Sep 2013
#142
Race is important because a lot of people cannot handle an African American being smarter
Yavin4
Sep 2013
#23
I think even the biggest bigot would concede there is somebody of a different race smarter than him.
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2013
#26
I don't think any group of people -- any race, ethnicity, gender or religion --
whathehell
Sep 2013
#291
The reasons are multiple as well as irrational as is most if not all forms of bigotry./nt
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2013
#295
I agree with most of that, but think it might have been better if you'd said that the first time,
whathehell
Sep 2013
#296
Where did I suggest that "the belief that Jews are unintelligent is the basis of anti-semistism"?
whathehell
Sep 2013
#299
Having worked with Klans members, and for those who don't believe they exist, yes, they do; also,
freshwest
Sep 2013
#152
i think there was some racism in those who made it seem like Kerry was running things
JI7
Sep 2013
#195
That may be true for some people. I have no problem admitting that Obama is far smarter ...
spin
Sep 2013
#98
Maybe on Free Republic...Not here...I think it may be YOU who has the race problem.
whathehell
Sep 2013
#243
2) Some people HATE... HATE with a PASSION to see their world view not validated..HATE!!!
uponit7771
Sep 2013
#103
I voted for that man for a reason - not only is he brilliant, he also has a heart.
Avalux
Sep 2013
#16
Definitely. I watched those groups whine about affirmative action as it really got rolling in the
freshwest
Sep 2013
#129
Being a woman or disabled in this country is hardly comparitive to being a black in this country.
lumpy
Sep 2013
#212
"Being a woman or disabled in this country is hardly comparative to being black in this country"
whathehell
Sep 2013
#281
Thank you, yes, I think he's exceptionally, smart, but even "smart" people make mistakes
whathehell
Sep 2013
#246
Nah, just those who use racist memes, talking points, perspectives and reflexive hate might be
uponit7771
Sep 2013
#106
Where on DU have you seen "racist memes, talking points, perspectives and 'reflective hate'?
whathehell
Sep 2013
#289
and yet you use one perceived insult, to add your own insult those who support Obama via BOG?
Sheepshank
Sep 2013
#256
Even though it appears we may get a favorable outcome (no intervention in Syria)
Maedhros
Sep 2013
#51
Yes - there are those whose political sense of well-being is so dependent upon the President's image
Maedhros
Sep 2013
#148
The most extreme left in this country find President Obama to be a disappointment because he has not
msanthrope
Sep 2013
#55
Nah.. Most here know and acknowledge his brilliance..They just don't confuse it with infallibility
whathehell
Sep 2013
#293
"but maybe he's better at this than you are at whatever you do for a living..."
R. Daneel Olivaw
Sep 2013
#89
AMEN!! The self-righteous indignation is simply breathtaking. I am 100% confident in this president.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2013
#91
he has certainly killed more women and kids than I have or ever will. Is that a sign of smartness?
msongs
Sep 2013
#102
Oh good, we're trotting out the Criticize-Pres.-Obama-therefore-racist thread again.
DRoseDARs
Sep 2013
#159
Maybe it has jack shit to do with anything. Some people like to fight the power
IronLionZion
Sep 2013
#173
So basically if we disagree with the president we're incompetent at our jobs or racists.
cui bono
Sep 2013
#204
ah wouldn't DU be so much better if it was a place where would could truly celebrate our President,
Douglas Carpenter
Sep 2013
#216
Maybe, just maybe, being exceptionally smart isn't the Be and End All of Everything.
whathehell
Sep 2013
#231
I don't know if he's smarter than most of us but he definitely has more information than ANY of us.
OregonBlue
Sep 2013
#278
as someone else put it so eloquently so long ago - it is good to see the same philosphy here on DU
Douglas Carpenter
Sep 2013
#297