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freshwest

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57. OTOH, Obama and Kerry have been proven truth tellers now:
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 03:06 PM
Sep 2013

The Chemical Weapons Convention that 189 nations are signed onto is doing its job well. All nations signed on are working to destroy their stockpiles, stop the use and production of WMD. That includes chemical, nuclear, biological and radiological weaponry. It is this convention that created the framework for the intelligence to let all of the world see there is a better way to live.

Tax dollars spent for peace and justice. The progress is astounding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention

Bolstering Obama and Kerry's case, this just came from of all places, IRAN:

Iran ex-president says Syria government launched gas attacks: news agency

(Reuters) - Former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said the Syrian government, a strong ally of Tehran, had carried out chemical weapons attacks against its own people, the semi-official Iranian Labour News Agency reported on Sunday.

"The people have been the target of chemical attacks by their own government and now they must also wait for an attack by foreigners," Rafsanjani said, according to ILNA. "The people of Syria have seen much damage in these two years."

(Reporting By Yeganeh Torbati, Editing by William Maclean and Andrew Heavens)

Read more:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/01/us-syria-crisis-iran-rafsanjani-idUSBRE98007R20130901

That was posted by Sand Wind here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=582703

That thread should be Rec'd to the Moon by those who have repeatedly called Obama, Kerry, the USA government and its intelligence forces a bunch of warmongering liars.

Want world peace and Obama's agenda on equality and the social safety net to advance?

Rec the thread since they did not lie, did not try to cowboy us into a war.

There is an outbreak of sanity in Iran today that is happening only because we have a President who didn't run for office by singing 'Bomb Iran,' nor a Christian Dominionist like Palin or the Pauls, bent on destroying Muslims.

The Iranians suffered the worst number of casualties in modern history through Sarin by Saddam Hussein through his Neo-Con pals in the GOP. They have been arguing with Assad for a long time and giving him money.

Our votes for Obama and Kerry are justified by the 'enemy.'

I'm not seeing this a loss for Obama, as opposed to what geek tragedy may be saying. The truth is out - Obama and Kerry told the facts and did not want a war for profit or conquest..

I've seen Obama stake out unpopular positions so horrifying to our base, that their screams ignited similar protests from the right. Then the GOP had to back down from positions that Obama could not get them to give up otherwise.

Since the GOP wanted us to bomb both Syria and Iran as part of their PNAC list, with Obama playing the bad guy, no party will touch those ideas again. Obama has a limited time in office and has always stated he is laying the groundwork for what will happen when he's gone.

It's not about ego with Obama or those who seek to save lives. It's about saving lives. Obama has united us in this way the only way that 'sides' ever unite with common cause, and both sides took the bait.

JMHO.

I was thinking that doesn't sound all that bad to me. dkf Sep 2013 #1
It sounds bad to Bill Kristol. nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #2
Exactly. But he loves war. dkf Sep 2013 #3
It sounds bad to Bibi Netanyahu too. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #4
Maybe this will get them closer to a two state solution. dkf Sep 2013 #6
It sounds bad to Thomas Friedman too. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #49
Agreed!!! Buddaman Sep 2013 #8
Not that I'm in favor of a military response, but I am curious. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #5
Of course not. half the numbnutz in the House still think Iraq was a swell idea. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #7
We should be thankful to have a president that understood that unilateral decisions Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #10
Well, he understands that the President can't act unilaterally geek tragedy Sep 2013 #20
Let's be honest. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #23
We'd be having it, but we'd be in much more danger of losing it. nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #25
probably because they got filthy rich behind it. barbtries Sep 2013 #27
They're voting against Obama jmowreader Sep 2013 #47
No. Thank God the Reps are reflexive. At least they may have kept us out of WWIII. dkf Sep 2013 #9
I hear you. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #11
Would a Democratic president have as much trouble for a Kosovo redux? blm Sep 2013 #14
Congratulations to Bush for assuring the certain death of Geneva Conventions, and blm Sep 2013 #12
That's ridiculous. This belongs in an international court, not in the court of the US deciders dkf Sep 2013 #13
That will not happen ever again. blm Sep 2013 #15
Take your false equivalency and shove it. Maedhros Sep 2013 #46
I was being facetious - point being that the bottom line to forced inaction blm Sep 2013 #51
International courts are a joke and not an effective argument against military strikes. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #18
The US cannot be expected to be the sole enforcer of international treaties. That is ridiculous. dkf Sep 2013 #21
That is the argument. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #22
That's right. We have got to come to terms with the fact that sometimes a bad thing happens in this totodeinhere Sep 2013 #42
Or bad things in the rest of the world we can do something about (with positive results)... deurbano Sep 2013 #48
If the Geneva Conventions depend on the US illegally bombing other countries geek tragedy Sep 2013 #16
Then put Clinton on trial for Kosovo. blm Sep 2013 #30
Kosovo was a success, but is as outdated of a model geek tragedy Sep 2013 #31
Because weapons and their operators are dumber now? blm Sep 2013 #50
The US is weaker relative the rest of the planet geek tragedy Sep 2013 #55
What makes you claim that AlQaeda is the alternative here? blm Sep 2013 #56
Bush isn't the one that was supposed to be prosecuting Bush's war crimes. JoeyT Sep 2013 #52
I concur - and it will always be that way as long as Bushes live. blm Sep 2013 #54
OTOH, Obama and Kerry have been proven truth tellers now: freshwest Sep 2013 #57
Thanks for your post, freshwest.. and the link Cha Sep 2013 #61
Oh, please. You're describing Superman, not the US government. No heroes here, pal. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #58
I doubt the next group of victims of chemical weapons are looking blm Sep 2013 #59
Yeah, they are desperate asking Obama to save them by striking them with missiles... n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #60
Oh, I didn't know the plans called for striking villages and towns. blm Sep 2013 #62
I actually see this as a way out for Obama, he did not jump when the report went out Assad had used Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #17
I think he's being honest here--he's a true believer in non-proliferation geek tragedy Sep 2013 #19
Which is funny because we have all the WMDs. Seems hypocritical doncha think? dkf Sep 2013 #24
Possession and use are two different things nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #26
So what is the statute of limitations on use of chemical weapons? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #28
I have been arguing that our official position on Syria's use of chemical weapons should be geek tragedy Sep 2013 #29
That doesn't seem like a morally tenable position. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #32
I see dozens of homeless people every week where I live. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #34
Maybe "so what" is not the best answer. But spending 200 million on bombing Syria is rhett o rick Sep 2013 #35
There is a continuum between bombing someone and callous indifference/nt DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #37
Humanitarian aid to the refugees is a good thing. I hope that we can all agree that the world totodeinhere Sep 2013 #43
Well right now its "so what", "who cares" Iliyah Sep 2013 #44
I misunderstood. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #36
I would like the precedent. whttevrr Sep 2013 #33
My brother says this is all due to Bush's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Mellow Drama Sep 2013 #38
Yes, Bush showed us the folly of overseas adventurism, nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #39
Even without context, bombing Syria is stupid Demeter Sep 2013 #40
Your brother is right dem in texas Sep 2013 #41
I'd rather look like the chicken in this case, rather than glowing Sep 2013 #53
No it does not make sense. Your post that is. Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #45
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