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mick063

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38. Exactly one half of the reason that people believe Snowden is a hero

Sat Aug 10, 2013, 01:54 AM

Aug 2013

is because he defies people, like you, that swear fealty to a man above principal.

Two fronts on this.

1) The President and Snowden as individuals.

2) The lack of transparency and the violation of the "spirit" for which the original surveillance legislation was intended.

Many folks were indifferent about point 1. Not any more. Much of it to do with the great effort at demonizing Snowden to folks that initially were not concerned with Snowden, but more concerned about the surveillance state instead.

You elevated Snowden to this status. You created this martyr.

He is a hero now because of you.

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Wyden Statement on President Obama’s Proposed Reforms to the FISC and PATRIOT ACT [View all] ProSense Aug 2013 OP

DURec LOL somebody got his feet held to the fire leftstreet Aug 2013 #1

Well, the spin is that he announced nothing. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #3

I support Wyden in his efforts--along with Udall... hlthe2b Aug 2013 #2

I trust Obama, but I am also with Wyden on all of this. arely staircase Aug 2013 #5

Yeah, DU is overrun with that kind of thinking but that's why Cha Aug 2013 #14

Very true. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #43

You are not alone Andy823 Aug 2013 #45

Yeah, sorry about your being "uncomfortable".. but, I gotta say Cha Aug 2013 #7

Your dripping condescension aside, I never will do sycophancy. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #10

Wow, aren't you touchy. And, you're the only who's talking about "sycophancy".. Cha Aug 2013 #11

If you honestly re-read what you wrote, you KNOW why I responded as I did... hlthe2b Aug 2013 #12

Hey, I don't have to "re-read" it.. I know what I said. Cha Aug 2013 #13

the Presidency is, in and of itself a job where there will be times they can not be fully truthful-- hlthe2b Aug 2013 #15

I just trust him. that's all. you can call me all the names you want. Cha Aug 2013 #16

No one called you any name... that is inaccurate and not an honest statement. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #17

You didn't imply that Cha was a sycophant? If you're not one, and you don't think Cha is one, why stevenleser Aug 2013 #18

No... I said I do not support ANYONE without quesion... i.e., I am not a sycophant hlthe2b Aug 2013 #20

Okay, you don't consider "sycophancy" insulting. whatever. Cha Aug 2013 #19

Trust, but verify usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #21

transparency is good arely staircase Aug 2013 #23

Especially when it comes to our liberties usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #27

All the right people are starting to get behind the President on this. millennialmax Aug 2013 #4

Acknowledging or even praising the President starting to get behind the constitution TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #41

Bookmarking for later. freshwest Aug 2013 #6

Excellent news, ProSense.. thank you! Cha Aug 2013 #8

Yes. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #22

"law that has been secretly interpreted to allow the government to engage in the bulk collection..." Coyotl Aug 2013 #9

Congress is kabuki theater. Rex Aug 2013 #44

Wyden seems encouraged, but not exactly overwhelmed by the proposals MNBrewer Aug 2013 #24

Notice what Wyden leaves OPEN...where he hits Obama to hold his Balls to the Fire... KoKo Aug 2013 #25

Let's be clear... raindaddy Aug 2013 #26

If you ProSense Aug 2013 #28

...don't believe him, what exactly do you think is "happening"? raindaddy Aug 2013 #30

Wyden may as well not waste his time. The tiny baby steps Obama proposed were carefully worded MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #29

Blumenthal Applauds President Obama’s Support For Special Advocate In FISA Courts ProSense Aug 2013 #31

Lots of people pretended the naked emperor was wearing clothes, too. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #32

Some people think heroes flee to Russia. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #33

I don't blame Snowden for fleeing to Russia. I think he would be a fool to hang around to experience MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #34

Well, it's cowardly, and he damaged his case by fleeing. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #35

Not NEARLY as much as the Obama administration's credibility's been damaged. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #36

No, there's a lot of noise, and it's all about Snowden's status as a hero. ProSense Aug 2013 #37

Exactly one half of the reason that people believe Snowden is a hero mick063 Aug 2013 #38

He's a hero to a very loud crowd. ProSense Aug 2013 #39

You are the loud crowd mick063 Aug 2013 #40

Not by a stretch. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #42