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In reply to the discussion: Propaganda [View all]Zorra
(27,670 posts)175. Someone revealing facts about wrongdoing, deceit, and corruption in governments and corporations
does not make them a negative nationalist, even in Orwell's subjective definition terminology.
Claiming that it does so is disingenuoulsy arguing for the stifling and silencing of legitimate dissent against a clearly corrupt authority.
And I believe that you are confusing "Americaphobia" with dissent against multi-national plutonomy.
James Clapper is still lying to America
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/01/this_man_is_still_lying_to_america/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/01/this_man_is_still_lying_to_america/
Purpose
According to the WikiLeaks website, its goal is "to bring important news and information to the public... One of our most important activities is to publish original source material alongside our news stories so readers and historians alike can see evidence of the truth."
Another of the organisation's goals is to ensure that journalists and "whistleblowers" are not jailed for emailing sensitive or classified documents. The online "drop box" (currently not functioning) was designed to "provide an innovative, secure and anonymous way for sources to leak information to our journalists."
In an interview as part of the American television program The Colbert Report, Assange discussed the limit to the freedom of speech, saying, "[it is] not an ultimate freedom, however free speech is what regulates government and regulates law. That is why in the US Constitution the Bill of Rights says that Congress is to make no such law abridging the freedom of the press. It is to take the rights of the press outside the rights of the law because those rights are superior to the law because in fact they create the law. Every constitution, every bit of legislation is derived from the flow of information. Similarly every government is elected as a result of people understanding things".[36]
The project has been compared to Daniel Ellsberg's revelation of the "Pentagon Papers" (US war-related secrets) in 1971.[37] In the United States, the "leaking" of some documents may be legally protected. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the Constitution guarantees anonymity, at least in the context of political discourse.[37] Author and journalist Whitley Strieber has spoken about the benefits of the WikiLeaks project, noting that "Leaking a government document can mean jail, but jail sentences for this can be fairly short. However, there are many places where it means long incarceration or even death, such as China and parts of Africa and the Middle East."[38]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks
According to the WikiLeaks website, its goal is "to bring important news and information to the public... One of our most important activities is to publish original source material alongside our news stories so readers and historians alike can see evidence of the truth."
Another of the organisation's goals is to ensure that journalists and "whistleblowers" are not jailed for emailing sensitive or classified documents. The online "drop box" (currently not functioning) was designed to "provide an innovative, secure and anonymous way for sources to leak information to our journalists."
In an interview as part of the American television program The Colbert Report, Assange discussed the limit to the freedom of speech, saying, "[it is] not an ultimate freedom, however free speech is what regulates government and regulates law. That is why in the US Constitution the Bill of Rights says that Congress is to make no such law abridging the freedom of the press. It is to take the rights of the press outside the rights of the law because those rights are superior to the law because in fact they create the law. Every constitution, every bit of legislation is derived from the flow of information. Similarly every government is elected as a result of people understanding things".[36]
The project has been compared to Daniel Ellsberg's revelation of the "Pentagon Papers" (US war-related secrets) in 1971.[37] In the United States, the "leaking" of some documents may be legally protected. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the Constitution guarantees anonymity, at least in the context of political discourse.[37] Author and journalist Whitley Strieber has spoken about the benefits of the WikiLeaks project, noting that "Leaking a government document can mean jail, but jail sentences for this can be fairly short. However, there are many places where it means long incarceration or even death, such as China and parts of Africa and the Middle East."[38]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks
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I bow, scrape, and genuflect to your unassailable superiority over all other creatures.
IrishAyes
Aug 2013
#165
+1, as another duer noted in another thread, first post smackdowns are great to witness
quinnox
Aug 2013
#8
You seem to level that same charge at anyone with a different viewpoint from yours.
IrishAyes
Aug 2013
#149
Nope, nor any ethical or moral stance either, just check the box and you're in.
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#111
Are you the judge? Did you halt the "sentencing phase?" Have you announced his sentence?
MADem
Aug 2013
#24
Her "revelation" was the content of conversations she translated from Turkish
Recursion
Aug 2013
#55
"There is an excellent amount of facts that are posted in GD and the BOG, by us Hard Core BOGers"
quinnox
Aug 2013
#46
This thread is a veritable Rorshach test, as far as who sees what, depending what they already think
Electric Monk
Aug 2013
#39
Yup. I gave up arguing with Baggers, Libertarians, Scientologists, Kochroaches and Termites.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#112
How many brownie points and doggie treats did Cesca earn from the NSA for this tripe?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2013
#56
After Cesca's attacks on Lt Dan Choi I simply won't read him and those who
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#150
If we are going to discard someone for one big mistake, then Greenwald is out for supporting Bush nt
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#173
Your attempt to demagogue my agreement with Cesca on this is noted and it is not surprising. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#169
I think they are telling lies over and over again, and even making them bigger over time. That
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#172