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115. It's interesting how much the topic is being ignored n/t

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Howard Dean Attacks Important Piece Of Obamacare (updated 3x) [View all] ProSense Jul 2013 OP

What the heck? You felt compelled to post this thing again? cali Jul 2013 #1

Because it's news, and a word in the other OP was detracting focus from the issue. ProSense Jul 2013 #2

In other words your 'Dean screams "death panels"' comment backfired. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #8

Evidently, now what are your thought on the issue? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #10

Makes you wonder doesn't it? Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #13

That's not tinfoil. Astroturfing is an established messaging tactic. n/t mattclearing Jul 2013 #14

Also: mattclearing Jul 2013 #21

Very interesting Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #32

"Professional posters, maybe they get paid by an outside consulting firm" ProSense Jul 2013 #27

Backwards zipplewrath Jul 2013 #45

"They probably already thought you were a paid shill." ProSense Jul 2013 #47

Hey, you asked the question zipplewrath Jul 2013 #48

There is no "logic" to calling people "paid shills" ProSense Jul 2013 #54

Your logic zipplewrath Jul 2013 #57

It was snark, ProSense Jul 2013 #61

Dean is only lobbying for whom he now works. kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #133

I would trust what Dean says on this quinnox Jul 2013 #3

What you say does not follow Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #7

Well, that combined with being Governor and that his main area of expertise cali Jul 2013 #11

Please read the statement I was responding to. Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #15

Don't you think most people here know that Dean was also Governor and cali Jul 2013 #17

The poster said... Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #19

lol. you too bunna. cali Jul 2013 #24

The biggest problem for me is that Dean (whom I like a bunch) is working for a lobbying/legal firm Hoyt Jul 2013 #35

That is a mischaracterization of the panel. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #16

Huh? Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #18

That's ProSense Jul 2013 #22

You've confused me. Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #26

I disagree with Dean's characterization. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #29

Fair enough but my question is... Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #31

Well ProSense Jul 2013 #37

Really? Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #42

Wait, ProSense Jul 2013 #44

If it's offered but ignored Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #46

You don't know if it will be ignored. ProSense Jul 2013 #49

I have relevant data points Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #50

Dean is right. Again. Improving the ACA is important work to be supported Scuba Jul 2013 #4

I don't think this is going to improve the bill. ProSense Jul 2013 #40

Better. mattclearing Jul 2013 #5

Universal healthcare would solve this problem... think Jul 2013 #6

And do you have a problem with Dr. Dean? Mr. David Jul 2013 #9

"Rate setting" now has a law behind it. The ACA. tridim Jul 2013 #12

The problem is Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #23

It's also clear to me that you are attempting to attack Howard Dean before he announces Mr. David Jul 2013 #20

WTF are you talking about? ProSense Jul 2013 #25

I think Dean intends to repeal that part of the law to IMPROVE on Obamacare... Mr. David Jul 2013 #92

The repeal ProSense Jul 2013 #96

So far you're just bullying everyone who disagrees with you.. Mr. David Jul 2013 #99

No, I'm responding to anyone discussing the OP topic, and find it bizarre ProSense Jul 2013 #113

Maybe there's a better way to try to control costs? Just Saying Jul 2013 #28

Is it primary season already? leftstreet Jul 2013 #30

I support Dean. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #33

Fine, but I think he's wrong. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #34

Part of the problem is counting on ACOs Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #36

You're against "Accountable Care Organizations"? ProSense Jul 2013 #38

I can only report the facts. Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #39

Do you ProSense Jul 2013 #41

Of course. Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #43

This is an ProSense Jul 2013 #52

If it's not financially viable for the participants Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #59

One of the articles you posted ProSense Jul 2013 #71

Straw man Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #74

LOL! ProSense Jul 2013 #77

I see you Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #79

My husband is in one. Jury still out on how it will end up. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #132

Here is another link Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #51

Again, the article is about ProSense Jul 2013 #53

You can lead a horse to water Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #56

Nothing ProSense Jul 2013 #58

And have I not repeatedly talked about improving ACOs? Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #62

"The problem is the ACO concept, as currently designed, is failing." ProSense Jul 2013 #67

I have made progress Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #69

Well, you went from saying they're a "failing" concept to supporting them. ProSense Jul 2013 #73

Nice misquote of what I said. Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #76

"The problem is the ACO concept, as currently designed, is failing." ProSense Jul 2013 #78

Of course I said that and but that is not what you claimed I said above Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #80

So you weren't saying the "ACO concept" is "failing"? ProSense Jul 2013 #81

Is selective editing a hobby? Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #82

But ProSense Jul 2013 #84

Ignoring your selective editing Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #85

Nonsense ProSense Jul 2013 #86

*yawn* Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #87

"But, financially, it wasn’t viable." ProSense Jul 2013 #89

Nonsense! Yes, that's YOU! Mr. David Jul 2013 #97

Dealing with some issues? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #98

Ignore Nonsense. Mr. David Jul 2013 #95

Apparently ProSense Jul 2013 #100

Attacking me with my own words? Mr. David Jul 2013 #102

Should I criticize you for other people's "words" ProSense Jul 2013 #108

Continuing to attack me is just a good way to solidify your creds as a shill and a bully Mr. David Jul 2013 #109

Bizarre. ProSense Jul 2013 #112

+1 Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #111

Not what they are paid for zipplewrath Jul 2013 #60

You would seem correct. Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #63

LOL! ProSense Jul 2013 #65

Are you "paid" by the circus? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #64

More deflection n/t zipplewrath Jul 2013 #68

Can't answer, can you?n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #72

That nag? Mr. David Jul 2013 #101

Wow! ProSense Jul 2013 #103

Yeah, yeah, laugh it up. Mr. David Jul 2013 #104

I disagree with Dean, and the panel isn't going to be repealed. ProSense Jul 2013 #107

Guess what? I still support Dean. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #110

I suppose early Dean hits should be considered a good sign. nt wtmusic Jul 2013 #55

No one would be saying anything about him if Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #66

Take the OP for whatever. I simpy disagree with Dean on this. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #83

Tying medical care to the GDP in any form sounds bad on the face of it and will be demonized. freshwest Jul 2013 #70

The fact that the efforts to repeal this are being pushed by Republicans says a lot. ProSense Jul 2013 #75

Why attack Dr. Dean? GlashFordan Jul 2013 #88

Wait ProSense Jul 2013 #90

John Mittens Kerry GlashFordan Jul 2013 #91

Well, the RW certainly hated Kerry. ProSense Jul 2013 #94

Bush came into 2004 stronger than Reagan or Clinton - he was at 60% in December 2003 karynnj Jul 2013 #106

Excellent comment. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #114

Thanks for bringing facts and reason to DU. freshwest Jul 2013 #117

Hello! Dean is doing the Attacking on Obamacare and it's Cha Jul 2013 #134

Before or after he howled at the moon? nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #93

Hey, I loved that howl. But Kerry had a longer track record. He would have been a great POTUS. freshwest Jul 2013 #118

I'm sure some idiot will mention the "Dean scream". Rex Jul 2013 #105

It's interesting how much the topic is being ignored n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #115

Updated OP. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #116

Dean appeared on Martin Bashir this afternoon BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #119

Thanks. ProSense Jul 2013 #122

Thanks. Dean does not repeat his rationing line, just saying it won't save costs ( false). SunSeeker Jul 2013 #136

You have an interesting set of enemies. LeftyMom Jul 2013 #120

Always interesting to see the comments from those who can't deal with reality. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #121

Strangely enough, I think Dr. Howard Dean has a pretty good grasp of health policy. LeftyMom Jul 2013 #123

Fine, but I can disagree with him, can't I? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #124

I like Dean, but it is ironic that he is a health industry lobbyist now bhikkhu Jul 2013 #125

Are you trying to mislead people into thinking Dean called the IPAB "death panels" last1standing Jul 2013 #126

"Death panels" is what Republican call it. The repeal effort is being led by Republicans. ProSense Jul 2013 #127

Prosense: Oh my, Dean attacks "death panels." Any thoughts on the issue? last1standing Jul 2013 #128

Yup, that's what I posted. Spin it any way you'd like. ProSense Jul 2013 #129

You need another meter then. last1standing Jul 2013 #130

No, I didn't, but you're desperately are trying to push that claim. ProSense Jul 2013 #131

The LA Times ripped Dean: "No, Howard Dean, Obamacare doesn't ration Medicare" SunSeeker Jul 2013 #135