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MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
5. Except it's not PEOPLE, you're trying to ban is it?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 01:23 PM
Jul 2013

It's guns.

If every gun in this country was somehow magically destroyed, and no new ones were every built, then people who wanted to hurt others would return to edged weapons. And the same exact people crying about guns would be crying about knives. Just like they did during the "switchblade" moral panic of the 50s and the 60s.

Some people simply refuse to accept the fact that it isn't guns or knives or clubs or whatever weapon is available that is the problem. It is bad, and yes EVIL, people that are the problem. People who want to hurt others with anything that comes to hand, including their fists.

It's much easier to blame and condemn an inanimate object, rather than accept the fact that all human beings are not inherently good and who just happen to be corrupted by a brainless, heartless, soulless object.

Why can't more people figure this out? [View all] Playinghardball Jul 2013 OP
K&R. Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #1
To the greatest! Just Saying Jul 2013 #2
It's PEOPLE with using GUNS that kill PEOPLE. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #39
Junkie guns! This is why the war on drugs must not end. cui bono Jul 2013 #112
K&R.... daleanime Jul 2013 #3
Perhaps because so many of the anti-gun crowd has tried to ban them aikoaiko Jul 2013 #4
+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #87
Who? BainsBane Jul 2013 #104
Bullshit BainsBane Jul 2013 #103
I'll raise your bullshit with the AWB - Assault Weapons BAN aikoaiko Jul 2013 #105
That wasn't a ban on all guns BainsBane Jul 2013 #109
No one said it was a ban on all guns. aikoaiko Jul 2013 #111
You said "ban them". You did not qualify it to be only assault weapons. cui bono Jul 2013 #113
You could be a little more honest about your goals aikoaiko Jul 2013 #118
And you couldn't be more transparent if you tried. Paladin Jul 2013 #127
And what are you seeing? aikoaiko Jul 2013 #129
I don't think you know my goals. I'm not even talking about the issue, cui bono Jul 2013 #131
Transparent, said the glass. I can see right through you. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #124
Welcome to DU. aikoaiko Jul 2013 #126
Except it's not PEOPLE, you're trying to ban is it? MicaelS Jul 2013 #5
But accidents do happen too. ErikJ Jul 2013 #6
And I refuse to be punished for others' accidents. MicaelS Jul 2013 #9
The reality is youre more likely to punish yourself by having a gun. ErikJ Jul 2013 #11
And that is my choice to make for myself. MicaelS Jul 2013 #13
THe main problem is gun proliferation. ErikJ Jul 2013 #15
I agree and the attempt to pass the assault weapons ban caused the sale of firearms and ... spin Jul 2013 #70
Except if you lose your cognitive abilities, you won't be able to make a good decision, will you? mbperrin Jul 2013 #65
Just hope that you will never suffer from Dementia PADemD Jul 2013 #122
The problem is the stats mislead those not used to statistics. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #16
From Personal experience I beg to differ ErikJ Jul 2013 #21
Once again - statistics. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #26
Let me tell you my experience with guns. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #99
That is, of course, Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #12
So I take it you believe people should be punished for the crimes of others? NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #18
Punish is a relative term Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #23
And you didn't answer the question. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #24
I think I did Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #28
Denial of civil rights is always a punishment. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #32
You certainly have a point Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #47
Go after it's true root causes. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #51
All that is certainly worth a try Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #56
You choose to compare only one use. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #60
I take it you have invented a time machine? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #100
LOL Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #115
Thats silly quakerboy Jul 2013 #38
+1 Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #49
Some of your examples are incorrect NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #66
Why are his examples incorrect? A Simple Game Jul 2013 #75
*yawn* NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #80
If you find the discussion too boring get of the thread. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #88
One gets tired by the same goofiness being trotted out. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #89
Who cares if a car is not household property? You are the only one calling it that. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #90
Household property is special subsection in law on personal property. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #91
Well at least you found out that it is all considered personal property. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #94
You hunted deer with a .22? NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #96
I'm sorry I can't read your mind. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #98
You realize I'm discussing current events yes? NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #101
Again, I can't read your mind. Is there such a thing as writing comprehension? A Simple Game Jul 2013 #106
Nope, no need to dig holes NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #108
Oh, I see, you already have a hole. You just jump into it on occasion. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #130
Actually, no. quakerboy Jul 2013 #92
Very well said. I'm going to use this in my government classes this year. mbperrin Jul 2013 #67
That's a lovely story. Unfortunately, there's this pesky "reality" thing. jeff47 Jul 2013 #17
Bottom Line: all things being equal, the more guns, the more deaths. ErikJ Jul 2013 #29
Except.. that's not actually true. X_Digger Jul 2013 #33
All things being equal I said. ErikJ Jul 2013 #34
"all things being equal" means what, disregarding the actual facts? X_Digger Jul 2013 #35
Obama's election drove gun sales to record levels. ErikJ Jul 2013 #36
Check the NICS link above.. By 2007, there were 97,000,000 more guns X_Digger Jul 2013 #37
Patience my friend -patience ErikJ Jul 2013 #40
Except.. that isn't true, either, hehe. X_Digger Jul 2013 #43
And how much has the prison population increased? ErikJ Jul 2013 #45
Gun accident rates have fallen as well, check the WISQARS CDC link above. (both fatal and non-fatal) X_Digger Jul 2013 #50
Again, the death rate will lag the buying rate by stockpilers. ErikJ Jul 2013 #52
Except it's been falling steadily, regardless of increasing sales. X_Digger Jul 2013 #54
Gun deaths climbs during Republican presidencies, declines during Dems. ErikJ Jul 2013 #62
*cough* X_Digger Jul 2013 #69
Less people buying guns now. But more guns sold. ErikJ Jul 2013 #71
We've been hearing the 'any day now' schtick for a long time. X_Digger Jul 2013 #72
Japan vs USA then ErikJ Jul 2013 #73
Toothpaste in tube vs toothpaste out of tube X_Digger Jul 2013 #74
Japan also has no tradition of regular people owning firearms. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #78
But it proves the point-the more guns, the more gun deaths. Proliferation is the problem. nt ErikJ Jul 2013 #81
Imagine if the government had a camera in every room of your home NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #82
Hyperbole. I have been thinking of getting a gun myself. ErikJ Jul 2013 #84
It is your right as a citizen. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #85
You are assuming that the General Social Survey (GSS) report... spin Jul 2013 #128
All things equal... Haha! xoom Jul 2013 #120
I also consider the courage factor. Guns give a coward courage, a knife not as much. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2013 #79
And yet a gun is a far more deadly weapon that allows all those bad people mbperrin Jul 2013 #63
You win! Zoeisright Jul 2013 #68
The desperation by the gun crowd never ceases to amaze me. Rex Jul 2013 #77
Way to completely miss the point on purpose. Rex Jul 2013 #76
2 Things Martin Eden Jul 2013 #93
No one is banning anything BainsBane Jul 2013 #107
Who is trying to ban all guns? n/t cui bono Jul 2013 #114
So in a game of rock, paper, scissors cvoogt Jul 2013 #123
guns have one real purpose, to kill people. all other uses are just marking time until that happens msongs Jul 2013 #7
But, the more the guns, the more the deaths ErikJ Jul 2013 #8
People also want to ban guns with certain shapes Recursion Jul 2013 #10
Actually one of the first on-target meme ads about this issue I have ever seen. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #14
Well then stop talking about banning guns. ... spin Jul 2013 #19
the OP didn't mention banning guns. boston bean Jul 2013 #42
No it didn't mention gun bans but I distinctly remember the push for the assault weapons ban ... spin Jul 2013 #61
perhaps because of the legislative push to hold gun makers accountable for crimes such as Sandy Hook Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #20
I'd recommend this a thousand times libodem Jul 2013 #22
Heheheh. Iggo Jul 2013 #25
slap! heaven05 Jul 2013 #27
Bottom Line: Guns are exclusively killing machines. The more guns the more that must die. ErikJ Jul 2013 #30
Perhaps because it is silly and wrong? cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #31
Technically bullets kill people Omnith Jul 2013 #41
And round and round she goes. ErikJ Jul 2013 #44
Given how many guns already exist in America, do think banning guns would take them out of Omnith Jul 2013 #53
Yes, most criminals end up in jail/prison ErikJ Jul 2013 #57
I appreciate the reply. Omnith Jul 2013 #59
Wow, didnt realize your few posts. ErikJ Jul 2013 #64
More gun nuts to protect us from the gun nuts Major Nikon Jul 2013 #46
I like this message-thanks... midnight Jul 2013 #48
K&R B Calm Jul 2013 #55
I do not agree. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #58
Because they haven't experienced a state of waking consciousness in years? freshwest Jul 2013 #83
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #86
That takes critical thinking... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #95
The last part sums it up perfectly. blackspade Jul 2013 #97
People kill people...true! Guns just make it a hellofalot easier and deadlier. nt NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #102
True. Like cars make it easier than walking. nt ErikJ Jul 2013 #110
Mahalo Play! Cha Jul 2013 #116
nice! napkinz Jul 2013 #117
It was the media.... GTurck Jul 2013 #119
And it's the NRA and pro-gun militants...... Paladin Jul 2013 #121
Is this a post designed to get all the gun fans on board? WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #125
here's another ... napkinz Jul 2013 #132
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