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freshwest

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97. Well, you know, if you don't have that onboard camera disabled, they know if you're dressed.

Reply to DevonRex (Reply #93)

Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:10 AM

Jul 2013

Nice nighty you got there, Devon!

Seriously, the magical thinking tells them that.

Don't ruin the fun with facts.

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Sorry but the US promising not to seek the death penalty after extradition is not unusual [View all] Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 OP

Me gustan los desfiles!! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #1

No nation in our hemisphere nor any European nation executes anyone for anything Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #2

I think the death penalty should be outlawed Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #4

Ah, because I'm pointing out why that is, our peer nations are horrified that we Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #9

right. it's usual for the U.S.- not for most countries cali Jul 2013 #3

So if the US did not rule out torture? What then? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #5

I doubt it, but that's hardly the point, which you're doing a lot cali Jul 2013 #16

"I doubt it" Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #24

Can you not admit that the USA is now a country known for torture? xfundy Jul 2013 #78

Pathetic and shameful that this nation has to make mention of torture much less Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #20

I agree. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #54

You do? Not being snarky, but that really surprises me. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #63

I remember this issue coming up in the case regarding Joran Van der Sloot Tx4obama Jul 2013 #6

She was murdered in Aruba, the US had no jurisdiction nor ability to extradict him Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #13

I believe the issue came up while he was in Peru - after he killed the second girl... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #72

But this is happening to St. Snowden!!!11 treestar Jul 2013 #7

Don't defame Lord Snowden. The UK has laws against libel, you know! freshwest Jul 2013 #90

thank you for finding that!!!1111111 treestar Jul 2013 #104

yeah, "extra special" alright. lol "Poll- boner's ratings are just above zimmer and snowden".. Cha Jul 2013 #101

OMG!!!!!1111 treestar Jul 2013 #105

I expected this thread to contain a similar case Enrique Jul 2013 #8

is your google broken? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #11

It's not a first or even a thousandth Recursion Jul 2013 #12

We are the only western nation and the only nation in the Americas which has a Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #15

It's a "new low" to remind another country that we don't torture? Recursion Jul 2013 #18

Here's the New Yorker Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #28

What about any of that do you find objectionable? Recursion Jul 2013 #29

I was raised by a WW2 Vet, to me what is problematic is self evident Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #34

I was raised by a Vietnam vet and I am an Iraq vet Recursion Jul 2013 #36

So you served in the Abu Ghraib War. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #43

WTF? Recursion Jul 2013 #45

No, I am saying it we should not have created the need to announce we stopped Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #52

The detention of Bradley Manning has occured wholly during Obama's terms in office. Jerry442 Jul 2013 #82

And Manning was not tortured Recursion Jul 2013 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author Jerry442 Jul 2013 #110

Amnesty International's letter to (then) Secretary of Defense Robert Gates re: Manning Jerry442 Jul 2013 #111

According to the Federal Government of the United States ... Laelth Jul 2013 #109

This is the Undercratic Demoground. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #113

So what would you have had him say, then? randome Jul 2013 #21

It's like we're fully in bizarro-world Recursion Jul 2013 #31

Yes Bizzaro World, in which you and your few fellows here can't grasp what I and Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #38

Can you please try, at least? Recursion Jul 2013 #41

Because Bushco torture and we let them go as if it was just fine to torture. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #47

So your complaint is against Bush and Cheney, not Holder. Mine too. Recursion Jul 2013 #48

Leonardo DaVinci said 'He who refuses to punish evil commands it to occur' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #55

Also I missed the part where you supported your assertion that the same pepole Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #57

Read DU some time Recursion Jul 2013 #58

I guess they were comfortable with the illusion of Snowden as a hero. randome Jul 2013 #40

it's the first Enrique Jul 2013 #49

Is Google broken today? Start with Abu Hamza Recursion Jul 2013 #53

there it is Enrique Jul 2013 #59

I thought the question was about a promise not to seek the death penalty, sorry Recursion Jul 2013 #60

OMG! kentuck Jul 2013 #10

It's pretty bad. n/t cali Jul 2013 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author davidn3600 Jul 2013 #14

The US does not have an extradition treaty with Russia davidn3600 Jul 2013 #17

Preach it, brother cali Jul 2013 #22

I don't think Snowden will even be extradited from Russia. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #25

As Kerry pointed out, we did give them back some Russians we had in prison about 2 years ago. randome Jul 2013 #26

please read your post aloud into a recording device Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #37

If you're not capable of elucidating what you think is wrong with the post you're replying to... DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #70

Snowden hasn't been sent back to USA from the airport, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #61

OMG why don't you just move there? treestar Jul 2013 #62

But can we trust US? Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #23

I don't know why you bother. DevonRex Jul 2013 #27

They keep saying we have more prisoners than China treestar Jul 2013 #67

Funny that they trust China's and Russia's stated numbers, isn't it? DevonRex Jul 2013 #94

Some people really do believe in American exceptionalism. We are the Masters of the Universe! freshwest Jul 2013 #91

Isn't it ridiculous? DevonRex Jul 2013 #93

Well, you know, if you don't have that onboard camera disabled, they know if you're dressed. freshwest Jul 2013 #97

EEEEeeek!!! DevonRex Jul 2013 #98

Yep, the Kittehs would take the NSA out in a minute. They'd never see them coming: freshwest Jul 2013 #100

The only 'parade' that is being 'rained on' is yours and the goosestepping 'surveillance state'. Purveyor Jul 2013 #30

Announcing we promise not to torture him is fuckng shameful elehhhhna Jul 2013 #32

well, when people are running around like headless chickens Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2013 #42

Huh? We tortured people less than a decade ago. We don't anymore Recursion Jul 2013 #44

don't we? you sure? elehhhhna Jul 2013 #69

Pretty sure, yeah (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #71

Could "Pretty sure..." be compared to "reasonable doubt"? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #75

Do you Guantanamo? RC Jul 2013 #84

It's hard for me to call keeping somebody alive torture Recursion Jul 2013 #86

One of our most insidious Catch-22s. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #114

I still say, that ProSense Jul 2013 #33

If Russia houses him with Pussy Riot, would that be considered torture? (NSFW) freshwest Jul 2013 #115

Which of his charges calls for the death penalty? Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #35

espionage n/t Enrique Jul 2013 #46

It is prison time and a fine, you are following the wrong crowd. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #51

Espionage is not a capital crime. Snowden is looking at a few years in jail (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #56

Sure if 30 years is a "few" in your mind... davidn3600 Jul 2013 #68

Bad penmanship. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #65

None. It's just more dramatic to present it that way. No drama, no airtime. freshwest Jul 2013 #96

We have to promise because we're still paying for Bush trashing our JaneyVee Jul 2013 #39

Some here don't find that to be sad or don't understand it at all Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #50

Bush created the reputation, and Obama has done nothing to repair it. davidn3600 Jul 2013 #64

Better solution. Call off the dogs and give the whistleblower his passport back. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #66

Better solution: Arrest Snowden, have a pubic trial, then toss him in prison. n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #88

To what purpose? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #92

I trust a man vetted by millions of Americans and a ruthless press... TWICE, AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #73

K&R stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #80

yeah, and it seems a lot of the country feels the same.. Cha Jul 2013 #102

You are SO right. If I've heard it once, I've heard it a thousand times... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #74

I know, but alas Iliyah Jul 2013 #76

I suppose promising not to torture him is normal also for the US. nt tsuki Jul 2013 #77

I assume most people knew this and that their "outrage" is completely disingenuous and manufactured tritsofme Jul 2013 #79

No - tritsofme Iliyah Jul 2013 #81

Thanks, but I'm not sure what any of that has to do with the OP or my response. tritsofme Jul 2013 #83

'charges Snowden faces do not carry a possibility of the death penalty, Holder told Min. of Justice' Tx4obama Jul 2013 #87

boy nothing is unusual to some people on DU. It's not unusual for US to spy, torture, and kill. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #89

The Attorney General's letter is only a big deal because it is a high profile case arely staircase Jul 2013 #95

Yr correct. I think most countries that have outlawed the DP refuse to extradite... Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #99

Nope, not unusual at all just craven Riftaxe Jul 2013 #103

Craven not to execute? BainsBane Jul 2013 #107

that's because the rest of the world sees the DP as a human rights violation BainsBane Jul 2013 #106

It is thoroughly embarrassing that we have to make such a promise. Laelth Jul 2013 #108

The idea that Obama would seek to assassinate, torture or execute his critics baldguy Jul 2013 #112