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XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
22. I'm FASCINATED
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 12:03 PM
Jul 2013

by the narrative being spun by both sides.

Zimmerman and Trayvon both seem to be perfect blanks that both sides are projecting all their socioeconomic and racial anxieties onto.

There are people here totally denying that there was even a fight and disregarding all the testimony and evidence in the trial to make it sound like Z set out that night to go kill a black kid and chased down and shot Trayvon from afar, and then Z and the cops and the witnesses together colluded to falsify a self defense claim.

There are people on the right who are making it sound like Trayvon was this vicious thug who set out to beat up Zimmerman, and Zimmerman was this wide-eyed naif who just happened to be out for a walk in the same place as Trayvon.

Based on my understanding of what happened and the personalities involved, they were two flawed people who ran into each other at the wrong place and time. Zimmerman's cowardice led him to chase down Trayvon, and Trayvon flipped out and started wailing on him.

Trayvon wasn't a saint, he was a normal kid who had some problems but who was minding his own business at the time. Zimmerman's not the devil, he's just a garden-variety busybody with a gun.

Zimmerman was responsible because he had the gun and he set out looking for trouble instead of waiting for the cops, and he ran into a kid who was not afraid to fight him. Zimmerman was the one screaming on the tape, and it's the sound of a desperate man who knows he's getting his ass kicked and he's powerless to stop it.

Manslaughter or negligent homicide would have been a just verdict if the prosecution had proven its case, but poor witnesses and a lack of evidence meant that there was a possibility that Zimmerman was fearing for his life when he pulled the trigger. Whether or not he should have actually feared for his life or not, I don't see how the jury could have found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Nope. I think he served as an "useful idiot" for the Rep gun crowd. They'd never make a Dem Lucinda Jul 2013 #1
They need someone to look up to now that James Earl Ray is dead. name not needed Jul 2013 #2
And Joseph Paul Franklin is still incarcerated/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #4
no, he's pretty much a cipher. grasswire Jul 2013 #3
RW NRA poster boy hero. HappyMe Jul 2013 #5
I think FOX news loves Z, and plenty of folks sent him support. Racist Randy Weaver is rwing martyr Hoyt Jul 2013 #6
A lot of people on the right leaning gun boards think he is a dangerous asshat. aikoaiko Jul 2013 #7
Go there often? Hoyt Jul 2013 #12
It's just for research, I swear mwrguy Jul 2013 #14
well every time there is an interest in a firearm tech group, aikoaiko Jul 2013 #17
Yes, I go for the info on firearms not the politics. aikoaiko Jul 2013 #16
are there any left leaning gun boards? nt NoGOPZone Jul 2013 #49
Not many and none with the depth of expertise I'm looking for aikoaiko Jul 2013 #57
he is a hero for gun humping racist cowards Skittles Jul 2013 #8
I don't frequent the RW websites, Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #9
Just turn on FOX. He's their 21st century Wyatt Earp/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #10
No thanks nt Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #11
He might get his own show/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #18
All you have to do is turn on Fox and see they have made him a saint. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #13
Maybe, till the first time he does something to annoy them in any way Spirochete Jul 2013 #15
how would I know? MNBrewer Jul 2013 #19
Ronald Reagan is a right wing hero. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #20
Yes, Reagan is, isn't he? MNBrewer Jul 2013 #43
They seem to be popular in the same circles, aren't they?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #47
They might be MNBrewer Jul 2013 #48
No need to run with them. Do I have to be a soccer fan to know David Beckham was popular?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #50
I don't care what the right wingers think, why would I research their heroes? MNBrewer Jul 2013 #52
Advanced research is superfluous. The fact can be divined by the most casual of observations/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #53
then what is the purpose of this idiotic poll? MNBrewer Jul 2013 #55
You seem mad. Have a nice day./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #56
That's like asking is the wingnut gun-toting crowd trying to legitimize racism. Coyotl Jul 2013 #21
I'm FASCINATED XemaSab Jul 2013 #22
Well Zman trained as a fighter, carried a gun, thought he was a policeman, and sounded like a Hoyt Jul 2013 #27
Morally wrong? Maybe XemaSab Jul 2013 #28
They are steps that any murderous bigot takes. Sorry, you have to look at the big picture in these Hoyt Jul 2013 #30
Lemme tell you about my grandfather XemaSab Jul 2013 #35
Look, the Zman obviously wanted to hurt, or kill someone -- he worked hard at preparing for it. Hoyt Jul 2013 #37
Bombing a church is illegal XemaSab Jul 2013 #42
If Zimmerman libodem Jul 2013 #29
"If Zimmerman Were truely innocent he would have testified in his own behalf." XemaSab Jul 2013 #32
I'm relieved to know you didn't like the verdict libodem Jul 2013 #36
Thanks for summing up how I feel about this case. yardwork Jul 2013 #33
Other: IDK. LWolf Jul 2013 #23
Undoubtedly treestar Jul 2013 #24
Until he kills a white RB TexLa Jul 2013 #25
+1. Hoyt Jul 2013 #31
So true. /nt yardwork Jul 2013 #34
+1000 Tom Ripley Jul 2013 #40
Agreed....he's like this months version.... rppper Jul 2013 #59
They're more anti-Trayvon Martin than pro-George Zimmerman n/t cigsandcoffee Jul 2013 #26
If he hasn't, he will be. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #38
Yes, he and Randy Weaver can go out and co-headline the yahoo festival circuit Tom Ripley Jul 2013 #39
A right wing fucking zero, I'd say Blue Owl Jul 2013 #41
From hearing right winger friends or acquaintances, I'd say as a person: No Populist_Prole Jul 2013 #44
Given the fact that Zimmerman is a registered Democrat GreenEyedLefty Jul 2013 #45
He will eventually go the way of bachmann and palin. His true personality will show. jwirr Jul 2013 #46
Let's hope we hear more from the woman who said he raped her as a child Politicalboi Jul 2013 #51
In the same way Turbineguy Jul 2013 #54
I don't like phony moral equivalence/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #58
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