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Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
11. This^^
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 09:47 AM
Jul 2013

I think people find it easier to think that the city government was just fucked up - which it has been, at times, sure - but this is just a symptom caused by the economics of the place.

Others find it easier to think it was the fault of greedy unions. I won't elaborate on what I think about workers blaming other workers...Divide and conquer bullshit at its finest.

The only thing in your post I take exception with is calling it "American capitalism". It's just plain capitalism. This is what it does, this is the inevitable result. It cannot be tamed, not in a lasting way. And it is more powerful than any city government, or even a national one that tries to resist. Sure, some countries are a little less willing to colonize themselves the way we are now here, but they still colonize other parts of the world for resources, labor, and 'investment' resulting in the same thing. It is a global system. It goes beyond our borders. And it often comes from beyond our borders.

It is a danger for people to treat Detroit as some unique case study of 'doing it wrong'. This is happening in many places. Neglecting infrastructure while giving tax breaks to corporations which are using up and spitting out workforces and leaving the poorest people and most impotent governments to try to clean up the mess. Privatization of public resources. Here in SE Michigan we are ahead of the curve. Lucky us

Btw, Mr Scorpio, I always appreciate your insight on Detroit issues among other things, so thanks for taking the time to try to spread some truth.

So Detroit- what went wrong? [View all] Lee-Lee Jul 2013 OP
I'll take "corruption and nepotism" for 200, Alex (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #1
I can go with that. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #24
Kicking the can down the roadism. Pensions, TBTF bank loans, Wall Street fuckery. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #2
So, weren't one of those republican "city managers" running the city? Javaman Jul 2013 #3
They have lost 60% of their population since 1950 hack89 Jul 2013 #4
Quite simply, Detroit and much of what was industrialized Michigan, is a testament... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #5
This^^ Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #11
Two full generations from now, the US as it is today and the wreckage of what it once was Javaman Jul 2013 #23
Carls Jr., Fuck You, I'm Eating! datasuspect Jul 2013 #25
spot on n/t handmade34 Jul 2013 #26
Great comment, and many in this thread. Detroit is AMERICA. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #29
We are now are fascist/corporatist experimentation chamber MrScorpio Jul 2013 #31
We stopped being citizen when the started referring to us a consumers Javaman Jul 2013 #32
+ + byeya Jul 2013 #38
Shrinking Crepuscular Jul 2013 #6
Decades Of Decline... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #7
Sure. Igel Jul 2013 #21
The Bethlehem Steel plant at Sparrows Point did not have to be closed. It was closed because byeya Jul 2013 #40
What Kharma Train says.... Demoiselle Jul 2013 #43
Agreed. Detroit is also a one-industry economy, kwassa Jul 2013 #49
The state of Michigan (Governor Snyder) stripped Detroit of all its independent authority and Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #8
The ball was rolling long before Bay Boy Jul 2013 #27
Everything. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #9
Unionized Detroit abandoned by Big 3 for non-unionized locales in the South. reformist2 Jul 2013 #10
Governor Rick Snyder and Dennis Archer and Kwame Kilpatrick and years of mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #12
I spent the first 35 of my 66 years tavernier Jul 2013 #13
I think a better question would be what can be manufactured there? whttevrr Jul 2013 #14
Outsoucrcing of good decent paying jobs. Chisox08 Jul 2013 #15
'reagan democrats' KG Jul 2013 #16
Best answer! Oilwellian Jul 2013 #45
Factories moving to suburbs, school quality, corruption, corruption, corruption JPZenger Jul 2013 #17
I think there are a lot of correct answers in this thread that need to be combined. last1standing Jul 2013 #18
Fantastic summary! DoBotherMe Jul 2013 #28
Excellent. moondust Jul 2013 #35
Destroying unions, outsourcing jobs, crushing wages. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #19
Boom and bust FarCenter Jul 2013 #20
Complacency, corruption, crime..... NCTraveler Jul 2013 #22
Detroit is an industrial town in a post-industrial US gollygee Jul 2013 #30
andthe courts and the law ignore them ceonupe Jul 2013 #33
The AG says Snyder has to follow both the US and the MI constitution gollygee Jul 2013 #34
Federal bankruptcy supercedes this order ceonupe Jul 2013 #37
Got a link? Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #39
The state can request that the filing be withdrawn, but it is up to the Federal court to dismiss it. FarCenter Jul 2013 #42
and if the state can't pursue the case because it is declared unconstitutional Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #50
The case could proceed with the creditors represented. FarCenter Jul 2013 #52
We shall see.. Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #53
The US Constitution grants Congress the right implement bankruptcy law FarCenter Jul 2013 #54
But the MI State constitution does not give the Governor the ability Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #55
The case has already been filed FarCenter Jul 2013 #56
I am saying what the Republican AG who represents Snyder said to the paper gollygee Jul 2013 #46
Would set an interesting precedent Crepuscular Jul 2013 #36
$2 trillion over what time period? PETRUS Jul 2013 #44
The auto industry built Detroit... DCBob Jul 2013 #41
Book recommendation MountainLaurel Jul 2013 #47
Thanks folks. I learned a lot n/t Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #48
Years of nation-wide support by politicians for let's-send-manufacturing-jobs-to-foreign-countries AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #51
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