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In reply to the discussion: Bob Cesca desconstructs Snowden's message from Moscow [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)50. Color me pragmatic. I'm not interested in trials of these gadflies. I want private contracts gone,
unless they're vetted and regulated to the maximum.
We do have a member claiming to work for the company Snowden was with. He presented a graph to show government contracts were a small part of their firm and were not operating like dingbats.
I still see Kochoctopus dollars by default in this case, since the main beneficiaries of these manufactured media outrages are Koch interests. On most of my search page this story is the number one result, even if asking for a map. Those are always paid for, commercial links at the top and that kind of media saturation is not an accident.
The Kochoctopus plays to both sides of the aisle, they always have. They have what will tantalize the left and the right, to manipulate elections so that the result benefits their scheme for America. It's a long term plan, these stories are the wink of an eye in comparison to the historical narrative posted here on DU. There is a video and a transcipt here:
Thom Hartmann: Conservative Millennials, Boomers & Libertarians all being Conned
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=44227
Anyone who thinks there isn't any big money at play here, I have this for you might like to purchase, which is in place on the right coast:
And now we've gone back to most, if not all, youtube ads on videos asking if it's:
Time To Impeach Obama?
Anyone thinks that's a grassroots uprising of discontent, and not a well-financed media campaign, well I have a second offer for you to buy on the left coast:
This thread shows the Kochoctopus got into GG's britches. Look to the source, always, or follow the money. The biggest money in any situation sets the agenda. The Koch brothers are not interested in our democracy:
America is Under Siege As The Koch Brothers Look to Replace The Constitution
By: RmuseJun. 30th, 2013
In military parlance, a siege is a form of constant, low-intensity conflict with the intent of conquering, by attrition and sustained assaults, an enemy holding a static defensive position with no means of escape or chance of marshaling assistance from outside forces. Siege warfare can last months, and even years, but if the attackers are patient and keep up constant pressure, the final defeat of the besieged is swift and extremely violent as the attackers take out their rage on the vanquished for not surrendering at the start of the war. For thirty years, Republicans have besieged 98% of the population with constant, and sometimes, low-intensity conflict that is reaching fruition and threatens to usher in a swift and violent end for most Americans at the behest of corporate and theocratic factions.
It is no longer a question of how or why Republicans are imposing corporatism and theocratic laws on the American people, but when they will finally transform this once democratic nation into a fascist state under authority of plutocrats and theocrats. The bad news is that America is one election away from total dominance by the Koch brothers billionaire club and religious extremists on the verge of replacing the Constitution with the bible and Milton Freidmans manifesto Capitalism and Freedom. In fact, in preparation for oligarchs and theocrats ascendance to unchallenged authority to reign over the people, Republicans are eliminating the last vestiges of democracy, economic independence, and freedom from religion as they openly oppose the Constitution in their final push toward fascism.
The truth is that Republicans have panted to destroy New Deal protections for 80 years, but it was during the Reagan administration they began their siege in earnest and started transferring the nations wealth to plutocrats in the banking and financial industry. It was also the era the religious right gained unfettered access to the halls of Congress that is culminating in a blatant push toward rule by religious edict. Over the past four years, Republicans have tapped into racial animus rampant in a large segment of the population to garner support to give inordinate power to corporations with assistance from the Koch-influenced Supreme Court that gave corporations power over free and fair elections. Events of the past few weeks revealed that Republicans have now abandoned any pretense of governing for the people, and they are blatantly advocating for theocracy and corporatocracy.
It can no longer be argued that Republicans are not deliberately creating poverty to make room for tax benefits for the rich. In North Carolina, Republicans increased poverty by becoming the first of many Republican states to eliminate unemployment benefits despite the state has the fifth highest unemployment rate in the nation. North Carolina Republicans also are amending the state constitution to permanently make it a right to work (for less) state to keep corporate profits high and worker wages at poverty level that is a trend in Republican-controlled states. The Republicans goal is not to encourage hiring, but to increase corporate profits and produce a population barely surviving on less-than subsistence wages...
More at the link and worth the read:
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/06/30/america-seige-koch-brothers-replace-constitution.html
One of my former feline companions had little patience for games with feathers, string and other shiny objects. Instead of going for the toy that was supposed to be tantalizing her and using up her energy, she went for the source. The hand. With her claws fully extended. The hand quit.
I don't believe in media bullshit, either. And don't know why folks don't think two steps ahead, reasons, purpose, intent. It keeps people who claim to have more knowledge and intelligence than others running their mouths. Data or knowledge and intelligence, are not synonymous.
So they run around in panic, as the media intended. That panic leads them to bit the others nearby in a rush for survival. That is not what is going on in the world. It is not B & W like old movies and television. We should always look to the source, the why and for what reason and the effects of all that is being presented to us. Sometimes it leads right back to that hand.
Because values we prize, like altruism, equality and democracy are not a function of capitalism nor is it in the news. Cable television news shows don't have to obey FCC rules about operating in the public interest. They operate solely for private interests that don't care about our right or our lives.
We do have a member claiming to work for the company Snowden was with. He presented a graph to show government contracts were a small part of their firm and were not operating like dingbats.
I still see Kochoctopus dollars by default in this case, since the main beneficiaries of these manufactured media outrages are Koch interests. On most of my search page this story is the number one result, even if asking for a map. Those are always paid for, commercial links at the top and that kind of media saturation is not an accident.
The Kochoctopus plays to both sides of the aisle, they always have. They have what will tantalize the left and the right, to manipulate elections so that the result benefits their scheme for America. It's a long term plan, these stories are the wink of an eye in comparison to the historical narrative posted here on DU. There is a video and a transcipt here:
Thom Hartmann: Conservative Millennials, Boomers & Libertarians all being Conned
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=44227
Anyone who thinks there isn't any big money at play here, I have this for you might like to purchase, which is in place on the right coast:
And now we've gone back to most, if not all, youtube ads on videos asking if it's:
Time To Impeach Obama?
Anyone thinks that's a grassroots uprising of discontent, and not a well-financed media campaign, well I have a second offer for you to buy on the left coast:
This thread shows the Kochoctopus got into GG's britches. Look to the source, always, or follow the money. The biggest money in any situation sets the agenda. The Koch brothers are not interested in our democracy:
America is Under Siege As The Koch Brothers Look to Replace The Constitution
By: RmuseJun. 30th, 2013
In military parlance, a siege is a form of constant, low-intensity conflict with the intent of conquering, by attrition and sustained assaults, an enemy holding a static defensive position with no means of escape or chance of marshaling assistance from outside forces. Siege warfare can last months, and even years, but if the attackers are patient and keep up constant pressure, the final defeat of the besieged is swift and extremely violent as the attackers take out their rage on the vanquished for not surrendering at the start of the war. For thirty years, Republicans have besieged 98% of the population with constant, and sometimes, low-intensity conflict that is reaching fruition and threatens to usher in a swift and violent end for most Americans at the behest of corporate and theocratic factions.
It is no longer a question of how or why Republicans are imposing corporatism and theocratic laws on the American people, but when they will finally transform this once democratic nation into a fascist state under authority of plutocrats and theocrats. The bad news is that America is one election away from total dominance by the Koch brothers billionaire club and religious extremists on the verge of replacing the Constitution with the bible and Milton Freidmans manifesto Capitalism and Freedom. In fact, in preparation for oligarchs and theocrats ascendance to unchallenged authority to reign over the people, Republicans are eliminating the last vestiges of democracy, economic independence, and freedom from religion as they openly oppose the Constitution in their final push toward fascism.
The truth is that Republicans have panted to destroy New Deal protections for 80 years, but it was during the Reagan administration they began their siege in earnest and started transferring the nations wealth to plutocrats in the banking and financial industry. It was also the era the religious right gained unfettered access to the halls of Congress that is culminating in a blatant push toward rule by religious edict. Over the past four years, Republicans have tapped into racial animus rampant in a large segment of the population to garner support to give inordinate power to corporations with assistance from the Koch-influenced Supreme Court that gave corporations power over free and fair elections. Events of the past few weeks revealed that Republicans have now abandoned any pretense of governing for the people, and they are blatantly advocating for theocracy and corporatocracy.
It can no longer be argued that Republicans are not deliberately creating poverty to make room for tax benefits for the rich. In North Carolina, Republicans increased poverty by becoming the first of many Republican states to eliminate unemployment benefits despite the state has the fifth highest unemployment rate in the nation. North Carolina Republicans also are amending the state constitution to permanently make it a right to work (for less) state to keep corporate profits high and worker wages at poverty level that is a trend in Republican-controlled states. The Republicans goal is not to encourage hiring, but to increase corporate profits and produce a population barely surviving on less-than subsistence wages...
More at the link and worth the read:
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/06/30/america-seige-koch-brothers-replace-constitution.html
One of my former feline companions had little patience for games with feathers, string and other shiny objects. Instead of going for the toy that was supposed to be tantalizing her and using up her energy, she went for the source. The hand. With her claws fully extended. The hand quit.
I don't believe in media bullshit, either. And don't know why folks don't think two steps ahead, reasons, purpose, intent. It keeps people who claim to have more knowledge and intelligence than others running their mouths. Data or knowledge and intelligence, are not synonymous.
So they run around in panic, as the media intended. That panic leads them to bit the others nearby in a rush for survival. That is not what is going on in the world. It is not B & W like old movies and television. We should always look to the source, the why and for what reason and the effects of all that is being presented to us. Sometimes it leads right back to that hand.
Because values we prize, like altruism, equality and democracy are not a function of capitalism nor is it in the news. Cable television news shows don't have to obey FCC rules about operating in the public interest. They operate solely for private interests that don't care about our right or our lives.
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As soon as Snowden loses his value to Koch brothers, he will meet the fate of other straw dogs:
freshwest
Jul 2013
#5
However, the usual suspects are getting media attention now, instead of helping people:
freshwest
Jul 2013
#11
Wait! Wait! I found our savior following links. This guy is gonna fix everything, and he's close by!
freshwest
Jul 2013
#17
Wait! Wait! I thought Obama demanded he be drawn and quartered, and his head put on a stake!
freshwest
Jul 2013
#23
I have to say that Snowden generates no anger from me, anymore than any other pawn.
freshwest
Jul 2013
#9
GG's book or film deal on this circus may have fallen through. ES isn't doing the job intended:
freshwest
Jul 2013
#16
Color me pragmatic. I'm not interested in trials of these gadflies. I want private contracts gone,
freshwest
Jul 2013
#50
Snowed in, LOL. I remember your winter in Boston. And on waxen wings. Another brief flame. Be nice!
freshwest
Jul 2013
#51
I am really starting to think this "Moscow Eddie" guy needs a cat scan or an MRI or something....
MADem
Jul 2013
#29
Those frontal lobe lesions can make a sane man crazy, make an introvert an extrovert, make a
MADem
Jul 2013
#35
The Snowden Awards! Like the Darwin Awards but for naivete above and beyond the call of reason.
randome
Jul 2013
#42
lot of disinfo to unpack here but 1 that jumps out is the whole 'no more to publish' myth
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#44