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145. if we lose our civil liberties then we are no longer the United States of America

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 12:41 PM

Jun 2013

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I was brainwashed not to notice that democracy here in the US is gone and has been replaced over a long period of time by totalitarianism. Now we are no different than China and it seems the brainwashed masses are ready and willing to lose there freedoms in return for some misguided belief that this government will protect us in return. Just how many people have no interest in voting or even know who want to know who the elected officials in their state are. SUCH TRUST will be awarded with more loss of freedoms. Funny it took me so long to see it.
Snowden is neither hero nor traitor nor is he a criminal. He is just a guy who wanted to share the truth with the rest of us so that we can make decisions with the government not just blindly trust them to do it right every time.

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Is it me or has the Snowden worship disappeared? [View all] brooklynite Jun 2013 OP

Good. Maybe the anti-Snowden obsessed should take a hint NoOneMan Jun 2013 #1

Only a Fool shoots the Messenger FreakinDJ Jun 2013 #45

relax, the other set of obsessive worshippers is still going strong lol nt msongs Jun 2013 #2

They vanished because they're inconvenient now. It was the same on the radio. Journalists lining.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #3

Because Valerie Plame was exposed to silence and discredit her by our government and to start a war. RC Jun 2013 #63

"From Russia With Love"? You tell yourself whatever you need to. I understand. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #66

Nice non response Phlem Jun 2013 #151

Oh, hi Phlem. Feel better soon, mmmkay? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #176

Oh Bless your heart sweetie you gave me a 2 fer. Phlem Jun 2013 #179

Still not feeling well, I see. Perhaps this will make ya feel better. Here ya go, I lost count!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #181

ya know Tarheel Phlem Jul 2013 #187

I'm going to bed now my princess. Pleasant dreams. Phlem Jul 2013 #188

I'd save my energy Phlem Jun 2013 #153

Per unnamed government officials... kentuck Jun 2013 #4

No, actually an article about Snowden was in todays NYTimes. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #50

The NSA reached out and blackmailed all of them! randome Jun 2013 #5

Or FBI snipers got them nt arely staircase Jun 2013 #56

i said my piece and made peace with what others had to say La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #6

Congrats on the marriage! My little brother is also now officially married. 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #24

As I mentioned a few days ago... Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #7

Attention span combined with his impending surrender makes the romance seem duller alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #8

maybe the story is getting old and the supporters have a life? nt markiv Jun 2013 #9

There has been no new news for while davidn3600 Jun 2013 #10

Personally I have no more patience with Snowden worshippers truebluegreen Jun 2013 #11

They are badly in need of a hero. randome Jun 2013 #16

True. And "they" aren't the only ones. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #18

Agreed. We all need heroes. randome Jun 2013 #22

I hear General Hoss Cartwright's name is in the hat to be picked out as a hero next. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #39

We've got Mandela for a little while longer. Now he's a hero is. Snowden . . . not so much. brush Jun 2013 #40

Mandela can't be a hero Spirochete Jun 2013 #87

Not Mondello. Mandela. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #90

Things are going down pretty much as I suspected.... Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #12

Snowden who? His 15mins are over.. HipChick Jun 2013 #13

+1 CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #29

Well "scramble mah jets" flamingdem Jun 2013 #110

People are sick of the relentless smears from the anti-Snowden crowd. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #14

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #28

I never "wonder whats going in" your life. ProSense Jun 2013 #72

Wouldn't the world be a better place if everyone as a three-dimensional person, Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #79

Then maybe ProSense Jun 2013 #85

Perhaps I could have been nicer, but it seemed appropriate in the context of the parent post. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #88

those posts were not smears , Kolesar Jun 2013 #91

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #51

I'm neutral about Snowden RainDog Jun 2013 #54

+1 truebluegreen Jun 2013 #57

"ProSense alone has over a hundred smear threads." ProSense Jun 2013 #70

What, 96 then? Apophis Jun 2013 #126

No, 200. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #127

that made me laugh SwampG8r Jul 2013 #183

Smearing a traitorous thief, Whisp Jun 2013 #76

Funny thing is ProSense Jun 2013 #81

That is what ignore is for baby nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #82

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #89

Snowen smeared himself Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #107

what the fuck is wrong with what ProSense posts , she posts news items, nobody is demanding JI7 Jun 2013 #123

+1 nt Live and Learn Jun 2013 #152

The anti-Snowden crowd isn't treestar Jun 2013 #163

Skinner hasn't turned this into Libertarian Underground YET. That may be coming.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #182

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2013 #15

Agenda much? "Supporter" = "worshipper"?? n/t winter is coming Jun 2013 #17

"Worshipper" here means "Someone who approves of something I dislike." (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #19

BaZingGa! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #42

I tell ya, my house is just cluttered with all the shrines... Scootaloo Jun 2013 #71

I found those much easier to manage when I simply started storing them in my temple. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #96

There was really nothing more to say after this Alan Grayson video (below) was first posted: Zorra Jun 2013 #20

K&R idwiyo Jun 2013 #58

So Alan Grayson is a libertarian? Pholus Jun 2013 #98

Yup, civil libertarian nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #134

Oh, I meant "bad" libertarian.... nt Pholus Jun 2013 #141

I insist in using the correct language nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #143

I hadn't thought about that redefinition of language. Thanks... nt Pholus Jun 2013 #144

I like this one lots ~ "Our attachment to no nation upon earth should supplant our attachment Zorra Jun 2013 #150

PLUS ONE! nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #156

I never saw any worship. morningfog Jun 2013 #21

Me either. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #157

I saw many supporters. No worshippers, though. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #23

Sadly the vacation did nothing to curb your self indulgent characterizations of others nor to Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #25

LOL Puglover Jun 2013 #67

LOL! Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #132

"snowden worshippers": nasty and sneering. good job there. cali Jun 2013 #26

nasty and sneering? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #41

The irony is, they don't even know it. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #80

true that. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #47

*points and laughs Whisp Jun 2013 #148

There was no Snowden "worship"...... Swede Atlanta Jun 2013 #27

I see that a few of them are still hanging on. :wink: lamp_shade Jun 2013 #30

Thanks Pam HangOnKids Jun 2013 #119

So what do YOU think of the NSA's surveillance programme, brooklynite? sibelian Jun 2013 #31

Please note the rec to reply ratio. That kind of says a lot. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #32

No it doesn't. Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #92

You have an Obama shaped beam in your eye. The Link Jun 2013 #33

What worship? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #34

Indeed it did. kentuck Jun 2013 #35

LOL Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #43

Who? bravenak Jun 2013 #36

Definitely dissipated greatly railsback Jun 2013 #37

Who? LanternWaste Jun 2013 #74

LoL. You want specific names, as if you've never been here before? How smarmy. railsback Jun 2013 #101

So, if there is "Snowden worship"... burnodo Jun 2013 #38

I don't recall any Snowden worship. What I *do* recall, is repeatedly stating Marr Jun 2013 #44

Yup. Just so. nt Pholus Jun 2013 #99

At least the flamebait hasn't disappered, huh? Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #46

There was never any "Snowden worship" MNBrewer Jun 2013 #48

nah, none at all arely staircase Jun 2013 #64

Saying he's a hero is "worship"? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #69

seriously arely staircase Jun 2013 #73

Sounds like what goes on around here for Obama, too. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #97

well don't worry, nobody is accusing you of that. nt arely staircase Jun 2013 #102

WEll yes treestar Jun 2013 #165

Oh yes there was. treestar Jun 2013 #83

Oh, no there wasn't. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #160

Not "Snowden worship", but "Obama trolling": the same DUers who baited us on chained-cpi &drones eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #93

This. Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #95

After all, Obama is "a moderate Republican" MNBrewer Jun 2013 #100

is Snowden the elected Democratic President? Whisp Jun 2013 #149

Still completely appreciative of what he did. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #49

It served it's purpose. Now we know who the Authoritarians are. n/t Bonhomme Richard Jun 2013 #52

I think people finally began to understand that it was NOT ABOUT SNOWDEN OR GREENWALD. Th1onein Jun 2013 #53

what, the secrets to the chinese or the stuff that's 7 years old? nt arely staircase Jun 2013 #60

Snowden SAID stuff! What do you not understand about that?? randome Jun 2013 #65

It was never about Snowden Hydra Jun 2013 #55

what 'worship'? i think it's you; how's the weather in bizarro world? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #59

"worshipper"? I sense an agenda. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #61

. ProSense Jun 2013 #75

Its just that the authoritarian shitstain lovers are still knashing their teeth about this Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #62

Nice post Artic Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #86

Always a pleasure. (Not snark) Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #124

+6 000 000 ~nt~ b.durruti Jun 2013 #94

Worshippers? Would that include Valerie Plame, ACLU, and Amnesty International? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #68

Under the bus with Valerie Plame, ACLU, and Amnesty International! Enthusiast Jun 2013 #159

Must be just you. Honestly, I saw NO Snowden "worship". cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #77

I've been hanging back and waiting to see how things play out - I don't know enough kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #78

83/2 nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #84

Let me just say, snot Jun 2013 #103

Hey, great tactic. Don't debate on a discussion forum. randome Jun 2013 #106

Something more important than Snowden is happening. Pholus Jun 2013 #104

Yup...exactly nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #109

Snowden? Hummmmmm gholtron Jun 2013 #105

Isn't it amusing Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #108

. randome Jun 2013 #111

Bravo Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #116

Epic! Scurrilous Jun 2013 #118

Well put jberryhill Jun 2013 #137

BAM!!! Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #139

Silly projection. Snowden was only ever the issue for gov't apologists. DirkGently Jun 2013 #162

Never existed. If the story was typed on a flaming shit filled paper bag dropped on GoneFishin Jun 2013 #112

Your attempt to re-stir the pot duly noted. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #113

It's That Or Talk About His Money HangOnKids Jun 2013 #122

There are still some folks leaping to praise him. MADem Jun 2013 #114

LOL, Do a poll. See how it turns out. I predict 70-30 for Snowden. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #115

Your point being exactly what? Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #121

I replied to the OP who referenced the DU. Get it now? n-t Logical Jun 2013 #131

I apologize if I misunderstood your intent Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #138

OK, sorry for the rude reply. My bad! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #172

I was the one who was rude ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #173

Well, lets call it 50/50! :-) Logical Jun 2013 #174

Disappearing just like the Constitution. Bush and Cheney are grateful to all Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #117

Never was much, but Jimmy Carter muzzled several foaming authoritarians! whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #120

Authoritarians11!!one Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #128

Haha, for you Bobbie Jo... whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #129

lol, we are the Authoriarainz flamingdem Jun 2013 #146

LOL< "muzzled?" treestar Jun 2013 #164

You are of course whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #167

You were glad that we were muzzled treestar Jun 2013 #168

You can play your infantile word games whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #169

Wait whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #170

I don't like or trust Snowden but I respect others right to think he is a hero. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #125

Problem is very few thought he was/is a hero nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #135

Oh I agree what he revealed is much more important. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #136

They're moving on...... Historic NY Jun 2013 #130

It will take a while, but that will do him in. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #142

It's you. Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #133

meh. There comes a point where praising Snowden and saying "I fully approve!" has already been done quinnox Jun 2013 #140

if we lose our civil liberties then we are no longer the United States of America qingqinggary Jun 2013 #145

Tell you what I've noticed the past few days whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #147

Yes. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #161

GG hung Snowden out to dry so now we're back to GG-the-Libertarian worship. ucrdem Jun 2013 #154

More like Obama "worshippers" have given up shooting the messenger DirkGently Jun 2013 #155

It appears the Snowden hatred has diminished? kentuck Jun 2013 #158

Just waiting for Monday, next newsdump will have him taking asylum in Russia flamingdem Jun 2013 #171

When he is behind bars -- and he will be -- are you going to e-mail him?? Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #185

the NSA can be quite efficient when it wants to be..... dtom67 Jun 2013 #166

Wait I've resurfaced! flamingdem Jun 2013 #175

the only consitent worship on DU I see is Obama worshio. boilerbabe Jun 2013 #177

More of the facts are coming in Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #178

Maybe they have finally come to their senses.. DCBob Jun 2013 #180

Yep. Commence operation -- TOPIC CHANGE Number23 Jul 2013 #184

Okay, I am wheezing laughing at all of the "I din't see no worship" posters in this thread!!! Number23 Jul 2013 #186

And the final, telling blow...even Wikileaks doesn't want him. randome Jul 2013 #190

Got a link to that? I'm reading now where even Putin is trying to get him to stop leaking Number23 Jul 2013 #191

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