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Zoeisright

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97. What a stupid statement.

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:13 AM

Jun 2013

Man X has a gun and stalks and confronts Man Y. Who's the aggressor here? You really need to learn some reasoning skills, because you don't have ANY.

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Marcia Clark brought up a great point on Anderson Cooper [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 OP

Well if you believe he wanted to kill Martin from the get go I guess that works. dkf Jun 2013 #1

He did. appacom Jun 2013 #2

You don't know that. There is no way in the fucking world you could KNOW that. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #13

So, can we imply you are defending Zimmerman and think he is not-guilty? Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #44

You can imply whatever the fuck you want. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #53

Neither can the DA, since he wasn't there either. Not guilty then, right? Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #79

You mean "infer", and if you check cherokeeprogressive's history on this topic, no Recursion Jun 2013 #68

He targeted, tracked, and killed Trayvon. End of Story. Guilty appacom Jun 2013 #100

No doubt in my mind Cronus Protagonist Jun 2013 #30

He was interested in shooting one of "these people" because they always get away. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #92

My God this is ridiculous Recursion Jun 2013 #71

I believe Zimmerman thought he was going to pull off a citizen's arrest. lumpy Jun 2013 #9

No way did he want to lose a fight to a kid. He'd never live it down. alfredo Jun 2013 #35

I'm not a DA jeffrey_pdx Jun 2013 #41

He Will NEVER Take The Stand HangOnKids Jun 2013 #82

I'd love to see him on the stand, and so would the prosecution. alfredo Jun 2013 #99

My gut feeling is AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #43

My gut feeling is that's abso-fucking-lutely batshit insane Recursion Jun 2013 #72

Because that's what happened. Scootaloo Jun 2013 #81

"Poor Zimmerman, a victim of uncontrollable circumstances?" Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #107

"Fucking punks. These assholes always get away." Scootaloo Jun 2013 #109

I agree with you to the extent that the gun was part of Zimmerman's thinking. Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #110

Zimmerman prepared by making himself "armed and dangerous." reusrename Jun 2013 #111

That may be right cpwm17 Jun 2013 #89

I believe that Zimmy wanted to kill a punk. Maybe not specifically Martin, but I believe people rhett o rick Jun 2013 #12

Yep..I agree. These people have such pathetic lives they'll do anything to be recognized. BlueJazz Jun 2013 #20

Yes, there are people with such fantasies. Mariana Jun 2013 #36

Zimmy The Wanna Be Cop, Racist, Fuckwittage Was Playing A Nasty Game HangOnKids Jun 2013 #83

I agree with you, rhett o rick. Th1onein Jun 2013 #40

SYG was mentioned at first but was not followed through. I think it did not apply to this case. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #52

Boy I wish I had a better memory...but I think your wrong about SYG Tippy Jun 2013 #117

Spot on. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #70

And any Punk would have done....The police told him NO the property owners told him NO Tippy Jun 2013 #101

Yes I agree. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #103

If someone is packing a gun, it means: "I sure the fuck hope someone dies, Aristus Jun 2013 #24

Are you crazy? Recursion Jun 2013 #73

And every day that disturbed view Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #85

Zimmy is a slimeball, but I don't think he "set out" to kill someone. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #38

Does the law make allowances for grandiose fantasies? aquart Jun 2013 #47

Good question. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #50

How about depraved indifference to human life? aquart Jun 2013 #63

I don't think he stalked Martin with the intent to kill him. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #66

Wanting approval is NOT an excuse for murder. aquart Jun 2013 #75

Ballet School Love It! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #84

I didn't say it was. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #106

Why else did he stalk an innocent teenager? n/t malaise Jun 2013 #91

Wow...A mind reader.... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #93

Well I think it's ridiculous to think a person gets into situations because he can win by killing. dkf Jun 2013 #102

I thought Marcia Clark was getting in a fight that she couldn't lose when she was prosecuting OJ. Captain Stern Jun 2013 #3

Is there any reason that he would believe Trayvon, elleng Jun 2013 #5

Yes. Captain Stern Jun 2013 #10

Guess so. Must say elleng Jun 2013 #14

Not that Zimmerman knew it at the time... Pelican Jun 2013 #39

True, gun lovers have them everywhere and are promoting even more of the dang Hoyt Jun 2013 #56

I don't think Trayvon had enough time to go back to Miami to get it. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #94

Against the top 5 attorneys in the world ? KurtNYC Jun 2013 #7

I don't believe that's true pintobean Jun 2013 #4

Other than the fact that he had been stalking Martin. last1standing Jun 2013 #8

I wasn't aware of the fact that Zimmerman admitted that he had confronted Martin. Captain Stern Jun 2013 #15

You might want to check the law books on that. last1standing Jun 2013 #18

I think we agree on some points. Captain Stern Jun 2013 #23

Losing a fist fight does not rise to the level of grievous harm. last1standing Jun 2013 #27

I think we agree that there was a physical confrontation Captain Stern Jun 2013 #32

Zimmerman has to do a bit more than merely explain his side of the case. last1standing Jun 2013 #33

I understand and agree. Captain Stern Jun 2013 #45

He must have X-ray vision, then. pintobean Jun 2013 #16

Again, even if for some reason Zimmerman's stalking didn't show him that, last1standing Jun 2013 #19

I didn't argue any of that. pintobean Jun 2013 #22

The bit about fists vs. guns is absolutely not true... Pelican Jun 2013 #42

That's not exacly what I said but there has to be some proportionality. last1standing Jun 2013 #46

TM confronted GZ. Not the other way around. GZ didn't know what TM was carrying Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #58

And you know that for a fact? last1standing Jun 2013 #60

Yes. It's in the recording of the phone conversation tween GZ & the cop. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #65

then why pursue someone if that's the case? frylock Jun 2013 #48

Excellent! thanks, DSB Cha Jun 2013 #6

And if it was Zimmerman who was yelling 'help me, help me' he didn't allow applegrove Jun 2013 #11

If Zimmerman didn't have control it seems as though the shot would have been more pacalo Jun 2013 #21

Did you hear today's witness testimony? The one who saw TM beating up GZ while screams Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #61

I promised myself I was not going to applegrove Jun 2013 #78

In a situation like that, I don't think anyone can "plan" to set someone up Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #95

Those screams stopped the millisecond the shot rang out. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #96

Marcia Clark? Seriously? The SAME Marcia Clark who lost a murder case to a RHYME? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #17

Clark and Darden (sigh) Captain Stern Jun 2013 #26

I know right? Comedy writers couldn't brainstorm a funnier scenario... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #28

That's only funny because it's shamefully close to the truth. Captain Stern Jun 2013 #37

glove hibbing Jun 2013 #34

WTF does OJ have to do with Trayvon Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #86

I get the association (Clarke, OJ), but I'm with you appacom Jun 2013 #104

I'll say whatever I want thank you. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #105

Huh? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #112

She may just be the first to lose a murder case to a silly rhyme. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #113

Or maybe race was introduced into the case DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #116

To a point Terutt Jun 2013 #108

Huh DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #115

Zimmy thought he couldn't lose because he had a gun and knew Karatti. Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #25

I think he had every intention of confronting Trayvon... TeeYiYi Jun 2013 #29

Does that sound as silly when you type it... Pelican Jun 2013 #51

I'm actually Swyping on my phone... TeeYiYi Jun 2013 #54

Well enjoy your swyping... Pelican Jun 2013 #76

Thanks, Pelican! ;D TeeYiYi Jun 2013 #77

What a stupid statement. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #97

Do you have some proof or even circumstantial evidence... Pelican Jun 2013 #98

I've been held at gunpoint twice. Neither time was a gun fired. aquart Jun 2013 #55

Hmmmm... TeeYiYi Jun 2013 #62

Florida has the Murder a Black Man law. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #31

Did Zim really have to aim for the heart? No Vested Interest Jun 2013 #49

The gun cultists are taught to aim for center mass, even in so-called "safety" classes Hoyt Jun 2013 #59

So they're taught to aim to kill- No Vested Interest Jun 2013 #64

I agree, but they have this BS they are taught. They will even try Hoyt Jun 2013 #67

I've learned something here tonight. No Vested Interest Jun 2013 #69

Immobilize how? Pelican Jun 2013 #80

As a member of the military you don't understand this? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #87

Don't wake the poor guy... Pelican Jun 2013 #88

exactly arely staircase Jun 2013 #57

Only if he was sure that Trayvon didn't have a gun. pnwmom Jun 2013 #74

And if Zimmerman already had the gun out as he claimed justiceischeap Jun 2013 #90

The gun cult freepers do love their boy Zimmy, don't they? Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #114