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JimDandy

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39. That's not what I asked. I asked if you are

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:40 AM

Jun 2013

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supportive of changing the laws so all Americans' communications can no longer be blanket seized by the U.S. government.

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So is anyone else conflicted about the whole Snowden affair? [View all] jimlup Jun 2013 OP

It's not the "Snowden affair". It's the "NSA/Booz Allen violation of Constitutional Rights affair". Scuba Jun 2013 #1

Sorry, but there is NO violations as Smith vs. Maryland 1979 decided this 34 years ago. graham4anything Jun 2013 #7

Nonsense - that case from 79 dealt with a single person usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #21

sorry, but it was already decided. Smith vs. Maryland 1979. REASONABLE graham4anything Jun 2013 #23

If you are correct, as a spied on American, JimDandy Jun 2013 #32

I am more concerned about changing the 2nd, as anyone shot loses all their rights. graham4anything Jun 2013 #36

That's not what I asked. I asked if you are JimDandy Jun 2013 #39

I would wait til there is a new court, maybe 6 to 3 coming in say, 2018. graham4anything Jun 2013 #40

Again, I did not ask whether this matter should go through the courts. JimDandy Jun 2013 #43

I want $100 million dollars so I could give $96 million away. However, we deal with SCOTUS graham4anything Jun 2013 #44

I've got your answer anyway JimDandy Jun 2013 #45

Ralph Nader got what he wanted in 2000, didn't he? graham4anything Jun 2013 #46

Non-pertinent, non-committal answers don't interest me. JimDandy Jun 2013 #47

That case does not cover the massive scope of the gov spying happening now including CONTENT usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #53

So, you agree Heller did not decide the 2nd and a reinterpretation is needed to get rid of bullets graham4anything Jun 2013 #55

So they do a batch pull of the info...same thang uponit7771 Jun 2013 #48

Yes. Exactly. djean111 Jun 2013 #10

I'm not. I think he made a very foolish mistake. Since Kahuna Jun 2013 #2

Yeah, apparently the scope of the program is larger than we realized but that is Snowden's jimlup Jun 2013 #5

That, plus Snowden released TOP SECRET documentary evidence usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #37

That's how Snowden wants it. Now he's live-blogging the story. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #49

The scope was realized more than 5 years ago...don't see what's new in Snowdens info uponit7771 Jun 2013 #50

There was a big story about NSA phone spying in 2006 Eric J in MN Jun 2013 #8

Why wouldn't we assume it was still going on? Until I'm told it is no longer Kahuna Jun 2013 #13

Ed Snowden's info that ALL AMERICANS are being spied on JimDandy Jun 2013 #28

Phone logs let the government identify who talked to a journalist. Eric J in MN Jun 2013 #3

Yeah! Thanks that's an important point which I had not considered... jimlup Jun 2013 #11

I am not conflicted. Its a 100% the same thing as the Miami Dade County "riot". Smith vs. Maryland79 graham4anything Jun 2013 #4

Please explain as I am not familiar with that case... jimlup Jun 2013 #9

Smith vs. Maryland, 1979, with REASONABLE/unreasonable being the optimum word graham4anything Jun 2013 #16

Do you have more respect for the constitutional interpretations of William Rehnquist Eric J in MN Jun 2013 #15

shame then that voters did not want LBJ to be reelected in 1968 and let Nixon/Ford/Reagan/Bush/Bush graham4anything Jun 2013 #19

Glad I'm not the only one noting this about Rehnquist and Marshall suffragette Jun 2013 #64

there were other ways warrior1 Jun 2013 #6

3 NSA whistle blowers who tried "other ways" disagree with you. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #22

Where was Snowden's warrant, he collected information without oversight. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #27

Where was the oversight and security to stop him from collecting that information magellan Jun 2013 #59

He passed security clearance which should become harder for those who has a trail of Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #60

A security clearance is no guarantee of anything magellan Jun 2013 #62

The American citizens had a right to know JimDandy Jun 2013 #38

The potential for abuse seems much higher than the potential for usefulness. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #12

I'm not conflicted at all. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #14

A few pros and cons: snot Jun 2013 #17

Yes - very conflicted el_bryanto Jun 2013 #18

Not so much conflicted as I am waiting Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2013 #20

Not a bit. Our government is collecting our information and I have Autumn Jun 2013 #24

+1 forestpath Jun 2013 #56

I am. Skidmore Jun 2013 #25

Thanks . this summarizes my thoughts better than I could have. jimlup Jun 2013 #26

Snowden didn't say that someone listens to "every conversation by every person in the world." NT Eric J in MN Jun 2013 #30

You need to tell that to some of his Skidmore Jun 2013 #41

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #51

I agree totally with all your points. Snowden makes the hair on my neck stand up and I get a funny appleannie1 Jun 2013 #31

They're not literally listening to every call, but they are recording them Catherina Jun 2013 #61

No. I think, if the guy had something to say, there were avenues to say it here in USA. MADem Jun 2013 #29

The other avenues were tried by others to no avail. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #35

Wacky Rand Paul wasn't in the Senate, on the Intel committee, back then. MADem Jun 2013 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Jun 2013 #33

I think he is being used Andy823 Jun 2013 #34

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #52

It doesn't seem to help a Jeb Bush ticket ... jimlup Jun 2013 #58

A little bit loyalsister Jun 2013 #54

I think the entire problem is the way private contractors and subcontractors are used to replace Lint Head Jun 2013 #57

I agree, the use of contractors is something that absolutely should not have been done davidpdx Jun 2013 #67

No, it is clearly black and white nobodyspecial Jun 2013 #63

Wow. So simplistic in so many ways. nt Kahuna Jun 2013 #65

Several points Savannahmann Jun 2013 #66