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MNBrewer

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Sun Jun 9, 2013, 08:10 PM Jun 2013

Obama’s “Dirty Wars” — and a soiled presidency [View all]

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/09/obamas_dirty_wars_and_a_soiled_presidency/

This is what it’s come to for Barack Obama: Reality has sunk in for many Americans, who at last understand that the guy we elected on the naive expectation that he would undo the excesses of the Bush-Cheney national security state has instead made them much worse. It will be difficult, if not impossible, for Obama to escape this legacy now. He is the drone president, the assassination president, the domestic-surveillance president, whose entire administration has a professionalized passion for secrecy that makes the low-rent paranoids of the Nixon White House look like Keystone Kops. I did not suspect that I would ever again find an occasion to quote a Sarah Palin gag line, but hey: How is that hopey-changey stuff workin’ out for ya?

There are numerous ways of understanding this disheartening turn of events. Maybe the secret note that George W. Bush left in the top drawer of the Resolute desk on Jan. 20, 2009, contained a “Manchurian Candidate”-style code word that switched on the programming! Or maybe, somewhat more plausibly, the entire secret apparatus of American counterterrorism at home and abroad has become an independent and self-replicating organism, a Hydra-headed monster that can’t be killed. The president himself indirectly took that tack on Friday, when he tackled questions about the surveillance revelations for the first time, during a supposedly unrelated press conference.

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“What Wyden was saying to me,” says Scahill, “was that whether it’s the kill program or it’s domestic surveillance or it’s certain secret aspects of the Patriot Act, there are laws that the American people can go online and read, and reasonable people will interpret those in relatively the same way. And then there’s a second set of laws, which consist of the way the administration has interpreted what those laws say. So what he’s saying to me is that on any of these issues, if I could tell you how they’ve interpreted what you believe a law to say, it would shock you.”

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We've gone through the looking glass.

"When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."
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+1 million. Nt newfie11 Jun 2013 #1
Reccing with sadness and deep anger. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #2
sadness? = bull Sheepshank Jun 2013 #71
Emotional responses, of course, are perceived as manufactured in others woo me with science Jun 2013 #73
I laughed so hard when I saw that person's post. "Recing with deep sadness" Number23 Jun 2013 #75
see #73 Skittles Jun 2013 #78
I usally only see thoughts that "deep" on greeting cards at the $1 store Number23 Jun 2013 #81
in other words, it went right over your head Skittles Jun 2013 #83
Yes, that's exactly what I wrote. Thank you for confirming what I said about the folks Number23 Jun 2013 #88
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles Jun 2013 #89
PRAISE JESUS! Love it when people start boring, pointless conversations for no reason Number23 Jun 2013 #90
This is such ProSense Jun 2013 #3
+1 Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #5
How do you decide where to cut off your title line? Bonobo Jun 2013 #6
The most Dragonfli Jun 2013 #66
! neverforget Jun 2013 #67
+1000 warrior1 Jun 2013 #10
You work so fast! THANK YOU is not enough! Trashing thread... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #23
+1000 Andy823 Jun 2013 #46
Wingers would LOVE for his presidency to be "soiled" it isn't, screw the Carlyle Group uponit7771 Jun 2013 #4
I'm sure they get quite a kick out of it. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #7
Agreed. It isn't anything personal for most of us. morningfog Jun 2013 #13
I agree it's disappointing Andy823 Jun 2013 #48
He is losing the message, the frame and his carefully cultivated image. morningfog Jun 2013 #11
This is just nonsense ProSense Jun 2013 #15
landslide Skittles Jun 2013 #19
Yes, landslide. ProSense Jun 2013 #24
I VOTED FOR OBAMA - TWICE Skittles Jun 2013 #25
I don't care, and ProSense Jun 2013 #29
you don't care? Skittles Jun 2013 #31
No, I don't care. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #33
She's so far gone that it isn't worth your time. nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #65
I agree hamster Jun 2013 #79
aw you POOR BABY Skittles Jun 2013 #86
LOL Skittles Jun 2013 #85
True for me summer-hazz Jun 2013 #35
THANK YOU!!! Skittles Jun 2013 #38
And FDR dennis4868 Jun 2013 #76
FDR was never able to pack the court Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #95
It's beyond "nonsense" it's Cha Jun 2013 #87
In fact, ProSense Jun 2013 #16
you DO realize Skittles Jun 2013 #21
What the hell are you talking about? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #26
Bullshit.. it's not President Obama Cha Jun 2013 #8
It is the word on the street, too. Not just creepy bloggers. morningfog Jun 2013 #12
No, it's not the "word" on the street. Cha Jun 2013 #14
Lol, the ONLY place I have heard strong defense morningfog Jun 2013 #22
So? Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't Cha Jun 2013 #28
I would summer-hazz Jun 2013 #44
I agree, summer-hazz.. Cha Jun 2013 #50
Thank you for the welcome summer-hazz Jun 2013 #58
Let me be clearer. The conservative assholes I know morningfog Jun 2013 #51
Its the only place I hear the endless poutrage. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #32
Sounds like we have plenty of sycophants and pissed liberals. morningfog Jun 2013 #47
I find the former group posts far fewer OPs, while the latter JoePhilly Jun 2013 #56
Oh noes! Not the word on the street! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #59
I agree. secondwind Jun 2013 #27
thanks secondwind! Cha Jun 2013 #30
People like Obama hamster Jun 2013 #80
Too bad you're so ignorant, willful or otherwise that you don't Cha Jun 2013 #84
Just like the Stasi. Occulus Jun 2013 #91
Yeah right, Cha. Says you. How much do you bench-press? hamster Jun 2013 #92
scahill did a great segment on chris hayes this week nashville_brook Jun 2013 #9
This sounds like the best plan to gurentee of increasing terrorist numbers not to mention the joelz Jun 2013 #17
We are now effectively being governed by what amounts to "secret signing statements." PSPS Jun 2013 #18
Yep. Secret interpretations of public laws are no different from secret laws MNBrewer Jun 2013 #70
Salon needs to get there facts straight! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #20
Thank you summer-hazz Jun 2013 #52
Deep breath, summer-haze. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #64
Thank you for the welcome summer-hazz Jun 2013 #68
Hey, I love you already! Welcome aboard. freshwest Jun 2013 #69
:) summer-hazz Jun 2013 #74
only thing dirty and soiled is the R blogger constant internet diarrhea Sunlei Jun 2013 #34
Obama has become a utter dissappointment. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #36
Bullshit. boxman15 Jun 2013 #37
Reasonable People Agree That The American Public Is Quite Ignorant cantbeserious Jun 2013 #41
Agreed. boxman15 Jun 2013 #43
+ Infinity cantbeserious Jun 2013 #39
This is bullshit. This paranoid crap is going to flush our 2014 chances down the tube - appacom Jun 2013 #40
Maybe Obama Should Have Thought About That Before He Claimed To Be The Transparent President cantbeserious Jun 2013 #45
That's hilarious. ProSense Jun 2013 #53
How Would You Prove That The Obama Presidency Has Been The Most Transparent - Problem Is You Cannot cantbeserious Jun 2013 #54
Actually, you can. His promises regarding transparency, like all others, were tracked. stevenleser Jun 2013 #94
And Where Is The Baseline Data For Comparison To Other Presidents cantbeserious Jun 2013 #97
So you knew about this NSA humbled_opinion Jun 2013 #62
"Transparent President" is an oxymoron, not of Obama's creation. appacom Jun 2013 #98
Ad Hominen Attack On My Thinking - Obama Did Claim He Would Have A Transparent Administration cantbeserious Jun 2013 #99
So the 2014 chances are tied to an article or two? burnodo Jun 2013 #77
wha? kbean Jun 2013 #42
Bush was a transformational president Astrad Jun 2013 #49
Those that circle the wagons have humbled_opinion Jun 2013 #55
When we failed to impeach Bush-Cheney, we made this inevitable. aquart Jun 2013 #57
Too True - The American People Have Been Cowed To Submission - The Oligarchs Have Won cantbeserious Jun 2013 #60
Piffle. aquart Jun 2013 #93
To our detriment imagine what the future humbled_opinion Jun 2013 #63
Read this and weep from 2007 "America on its Knees Before Tyranny" Catherina Jun 2013 #82
That's gonna leave a mark, wow! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #61
Anything that starts with "Jeremy Scahill's riveting film" moondust Jun 2013 #72
Tragically, this article is spot on LittleBlue Jun 2013 #96
Sad, and very accurate. jsr Jun 2013 #100
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