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92. Yes! Every long, long road to a free, truly democratic society

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:13 PM

Jun 2013

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absolutely requires the implementation of authoritarian police state measures along the way.

We little people do not have the smartness to truly comprehend this, but I believe the Third Way because they tell me so.

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If this happened under George Bush, you would be outraged. Be outraged by Barack Obama too! [View all] LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 OP

lets ask congress why they voted this crap through constantly. Sunlei Jun 2013 #1

It started with Bush, the President is doing everything he can to try and spotlight the issue xtraxritical Jun 2013 #41

Oh my WORD. woo me with science Jun 2013 #56

Come on, Woo Aerows Jun 2013 #79

Yes! Every long, long road to a free, truly democratic society woo me with science Jun 2013 #92

I always thought Aerows Jun 2013 #95

He said this quite plainly in a speech about a week or two ago. Try and keep up snarky. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #90

BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!! woo me with science Jun 2013 #91

Read this ad hominem snark people... xtraxritical Jun 2013 #116

I belieeeeeeeve! woo me with science Jun 2013 #117

STOP IT WOO Skittles Jun 2013 #100

I hear you can replace an earworm with woo me with science Jun 2013 #120

Do you really believe what you typed? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #94

I just waste my time with you but here... xtraxritical Jun 2013 #102

We aren't going to agree, but I do appreciate your replying DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #103

I just want to say... woo me with science Jun 2013 #111

People, you've had since 2005 to make a stink about this, are you all trolls here? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #113

So roll over and pee on yourself if that's your style DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #114

This ABSURD argument again? woo me with science Jun 2013 #119

Wow. Marr Jun 2013 #98

It's interesting to note LWolf Jun 2013 #97

IMO it's about data retention. jeff47 Jun 2013 #2

So you are basically saying that the government will take care of us, so go with the flow. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #15

This is false, Im more upset people have gotten past the outrage they SHOULDVE expressed at the time uponit7771 Jun 2013 #3

What's false? LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #4

What would that have done about this? Union Scribe Jun 2013 #7

THIS^^^^^^^ LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #10

What makes you think that Pres Obama isnt getting what he wants with rhett o rick Jun 2013 #67

Congress voted for it under Bush. Get a more PROGRESSIVE CONGRESS. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #5

Have you ever heard of an Executive Order? LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #8

The senate must be RID of DiFi.....get it now? SugarShack Jun 2013 #6

Umm no.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #9

Um, it was started in 2006 when Bush was President. randome Jun 2013 #11

Are you serious? LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #12

A judge is required to approve it. Congressional review and approval every 90 days is required. randome Jun 2013 #13

You can continue the spin.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #16

It's not spin. I genuinely don't care if Verizon keeps records of when I use my phone. randome Jun 2013 #18

It's Spin! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #22

Ok but when Pres. Jeb Bush can snoop on tblue Jun 2013 #60

If there is a legal warrant and a sufficient review process...yeah. randome Jun 2013 #70

Your attempts at rationalization are pathetic. Regardless of how many "approve" this, it rhett o rick Jun 2013 #19

Is it rationalization or is it accuracy? The fourth amendment requires a warrant. Admin is getting stevenleser Jun 2013 #23

Ah yes, it feels so much better if we are screwed "legally". rhett o rick Jun 2013 #25

I'm sorry the Constitution frustrates you so. Isn't the remedy that you propose an amendment? stevenleser Jun 2013 #33

The Constitution? We left that a long time ago. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #42

Well, since you admit you hate the Constitution and prefer dictatorship, I can't help you. stevenleser Jun 2013 #45

Which is why organizations like the ACLU exist.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #26

See below, FISA has already been found legal at the Court of Appeals level. We'll see. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #31

What the heck are you talking about.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #36

I linked below to an actual decision by the Court of appeals for the second circuit. stevenleser Jun 2013 #37

How do you know the document is accurate in all respects and not altered? pnwmom Jun 2013 #104

Not that I appreciate being tracked, but I thought it was Bush side stepping FISA? Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #14

The fact that Bush was worse doesnt lessen the violation of our freedoms this President rhett o rick Jun 2013 #20

And I'm sure the "leaker" is happy you feel that way. Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #28

Authoritarianism is very attractive to some. Big Brother will take care of you. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #44

But you hate the Constitution and prefer dictatorship anyway, so you should be fine with wiretapping stevenleser Jun 2013 #49

I'm not turning on anyone here, but with all the "isms" being thrown around... Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #55

Koch Brothers are a problem.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #17

Koch Bros are WAY more of a problem than collecting metadata. Trust me. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #50

No, it was considerably worse under Bush. This is definitely incrementally better. stevenleser Jun 2013 #21

It's not illegal or Constitutional? LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #24

FISA has already been found constitutional at the US court of appeals for 2nd Circuit stevenleser Jun 2013 #29

Nice but I'll take my legal opinions LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #38

The ACLU will likely be arguing first before a court of appeals... Like the 2nd Circuit. The SCOTUS stevenleser Jun 2013 #40

Personally, I don't give a FLIP FLYING FLIP LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #43

Your tantrum aside, the decision is searchable by anyone on DU. If you want to discredit yourself stevenleser Jun 2013 #46

Are you blind, deaf and ..... LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #52

And I found another case, US v Nicholson, this time the fourth circuit ruled in favor of FISA stevenleser Jun 2013 #53

P.S., the decision is United States v. Duggan, 743 F.2d 59 (2nd Cir. 1984) nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #47

Are you aware of the NDAA section 1021, HR347, etc.? Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #30

You're right about the not illegal part, constitutional is more subjective Hippo_Tron Jun 2013 #32

See my above regarding the challenge at the 2nd circuit, but also note this part of the decision... stevenleser Jun 2013 #34

Exactly: It is intolerable regardless of who holds office. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #27

Father of Patriot Act Aghast that Americans are Being Spied On. Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #35

^^^^ Exactly!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #39

I dont think you understand that person's post. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #48

Rational Common-Sense Thinkers want their membership card back please. Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #58

Look at the evidence with that person... stevenleser Jun 2013 #61

I think your "blind sheep" are just "follower authoritarians". rhett o rick Jun 2013 #63

You're really desperate to push that meme, aren't you? Problem is, no one fits that description. stevenleser Jun 2013 #65

OK, let's look at the facts. Our government has used warrant-less wiretaps. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #72

Not 'now', I have been saying it would be incrementally better for six years. stevenleser Jun 2013 #75

Are you saying the data collection discussed in the OP is under the FISA laws? rhett o rick Jun 2013 #80

Yes, a FISA warrant was issued to collect this data. Greenwald's article says that outright stevenleser Jun 2013 #82

I am confused. I was aware of what Greenwald said. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #89

If you view it in a vacuum, perhaps... stevenleser Jun 2013 #96

NEWSFLASH SHRED Jun 2013 #51

You just don't understand 11-Dimensional Rope-a-Dope!! blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #54

I'm so ready to get to the jobs bill that I can't stand it. This is just SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2013 #57

Amen. Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #59

and all those jobs will go to 'guest workers' brought in with the immigration bill markiv Jun 2013 #74

If you think Benghazi investigation is bad Politicalboi Jun 2013 #62

How is it not worse that Boston happened despite scrapping the fourth? TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #121

As I understand it, FISA was intended to allow the Govment to spy on citizens rhett o rick Jun 2013 #64

Creeping Fascism per Naomi Wolf rhett o rick Jun 2013 #66

And some of us here are driving the wagons that complete the circle Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #68

Bob Altemeyer calls it authoritarian behavior. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #76

I guarantee you. kentuck Jun 2013 #69

Nope. Same opinion in 2007 as now. stevenleser Jun 2013 #73

Obama is good, Bush is bad I trust Obama markiv Jun 2013 #71

I'm just surprised that some of you think it hasn't been happening since 2002. "IF" it was Bush???? blm Jun 2013 #77

I'm truly flabbergasted at how many DU'ers are ok with this premium Jun 2013 #78

Name a DUer who is 'OK' with this. I don't know of any. stevenleser Jun 2013 #83

You, for one. premium Jun 2013 #85

In virtually every post I have said I don't like it and am not a fan of FISA stevenleser Jun 2013 #86

Fair enough. premium Jun 2013 #87

Well, how much are we talking about Congress cutting food stamps? jeff47 Jun 2013 #105

It appears that you are labeling anyone who disagrees with your premise as LanternWaste Jun 2013 #81

Obama is just another scumbag criminal. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #84

Many Were Outraged when BushCo fredamae Jun 2013 #88

How can you look around this site and not think people are outraged? BainsBane Jun 2013 #93

Im as outraged about it now LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #99

Let's call out John Boehner and demand a yes or no vote on muntrv Jun 2013 #101

WOW Thanks for all the Recs! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #106

I know some people are upset hamster Jun 2013 #107

... Agschmid Jun 2013 #109

k/r 840high Jun 2013 #108

It did happen under Bush arely staircase Jun 2013 #110

It did happen under Bush, and you are correct, we WERE outraged. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #112

"They feel vindicated now." KoKo Jun 2013 #115

What do you mean "IF" this happened under Bush. This DID happen under Bush. shcrane71 Jun 2013 #118