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In reply to the discussion: Before you jump on Obama over the Monsanto amendment, take a minute and read this [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)117. You really should take your own advice.
You have either not read this bill or did not understand how it ties the hands of the Federal Courts regarding going after Monsanto
Apparently, you haven't either. Because you seem to be unable to actually quote the parts of the bill that do what you claim. You just keep quoting analysis that gets the basics of our system of government wrong.
To circumvent the courts, the only recourse people have when they are poisoned by a Big Corp!! Please stop pretending you understand what just happened, you don't.
The law doesn't say anything about overriding that court order.
Is Mikulski lying about the language of the rider? Tester? Everyone who has been trying to stop this rider from being passed into law for the past year?
They aren't saying the same thing as you, nor the people you quote.
In effect, the government is now barred from preventing the sale or planting of any genetically modified or genetically engineered seeds. The deregulation is temporary and lasts through September 2013. Though it is named as something as a protection for farmers, it has very little impact on individual farmers, as current regulations do not allow for farmers crops of GE plants to be destroyed, even when found to be in violation of USDA standards. This rider protects the creators and distributors of genetically engineered seeds, far more than the farmers themselves.
Um.....apparently they only read the first 1/4 of the rider. 'Cause there's this part:
subject to necessary and appropriate conditions consistent with section 411(a) or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim conditions shall authorize the movement, introduction, continued cultivation, commercialization and other specifically enumerated activities and requirements, including measures designed to mitigate or minimize potential adverse environmental effects, if any, relevant to the Secretarys evaluation of the petition for non-regulated status, while ensuring that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cultivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other authorized activities in a timely manner: Provided, That all such conditions shall be applicable only for the interim period necessary for the Secretary to complete any required analyses or consultations related to the petition for non-regulated status: Provided further, That nothing in this section shall be construed as limiting the Secretarys authority under section 411, 412 and 414 of the Plant Protection Act.
Further, there's this:
3. Not only does the six-month deregulation benefit Monsanto in the short run, but it prevents them from being prosecuted by federal courts, even if health risks from GMOs are discovered in the future.
Did you notice the words "court", "liability", "blameless", "immunity" or similar terms are not present in the rider? So where the heck does this assertion come from? Could you highlight what part of the rider accomplishes this?
YOU support this if you want to, but it is unconscionable that any Democrat voted for this vile piece of legislation, and I have no further interest in discussing it with anyone who does.
I support reality. If you, or the people you're trusting to analyze it, are utterly unable to tie their analysis to language in the bill, that's not reality.
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Before you jump on Obama over the Monsanto amendment, take a minute and read this [View all]
WilliamPitt
Mar 2013
OP
C'mon dion. Don't beat me up. I'm not the one who posted a blatant hitpiece with glaring omissions
Tarheel_Dem
Mar 2013
#8
Understanding how things work and, hence, what our personal commitment to specific outcomes must
patrice
Mar 2013
#5
Don't feel bad about it. Your life is a success story. Everyone has triggers.
freshwest
Apr 2013
#131
If you're not providing them info that looks bad for Obama, they generally don't read it.
stevenleser
Mar 2013
#16
Hmm. Disruptive post by newbie accusing DUer of being 1% which has nothing to do with the subthread.
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2013
#82
Could it be the fact that he has had a Democratic Senate for the entire time -and a Democratic House
karynnj
Mar 2013
#115
Vetoing an entire spending bill over that one amendment and causing a possible govt shutdown...
Comrade_McKenzie
Mar 2013
#13
Which is why no one like Doc will ever sit inside the Oval Office. We had the chance to elect an...
Tarheel_Dem
Mar 2013
#27
Lol, no one has ever succeeded in silencing me, so where you are getting this
sabrina 1
Mar 2013
#78
"And please post a comment of mine stating that 'people are trying to silence me'."
Sheepshank
Mar 2013
#81
Well, you already failed to produce your 'victim' posts so it's probably a waste of
sabrina 1
Mar 2013
#94
"to conflate all of this with the current bill is disingenious...to say the least."
Tarheel_Dem
Mar 2013
#101
Well, you seem to be unable to point to the words in the rider that are so objectionable.
jeff47
Mar 2013
#88
Good catch MM. Another of DU's internet legends shot all to hell. I wonder if it changes anything
Tarheel_Dem
Mar 2013
#30
Perhaps I was unclear in my post.. I have been telling them that they cannot hold this over the
glowing
Mar 2013
#61
Or appreciate the fact that there was a deadline or the government would be shut down.
freshwest
Mar 2013
#90
Is this what "activism" has become? I mean, what separates the left from the teabaggers now?
Tarheel_Dem
Mar 2013
#98
Yes, the themes are exactly the same. May be in this book which I haven't read yet:
freshwest
Mar 2013
#103
Thanks fresh, I've been out of the loop for a few days, had a family emergency. I've bookmarked....
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2013
#125
The communication is there. Get on the OFA email list and contact your representatives regularly.
freshwest
Mar 2013
#109
I appreciate this but there will be some who will still argue the obvious with you.
grantcart
Mar 2013
#37
Risk a government shutdown over a toothless rider that will die in six months.
WilliamPitt
Mar 2013
#45
Thanks. And those finger pointing need to change Congress next year and state governments quickly.
freshwest
Mar 2013
#92
Recipe for successful DU OP: hide facts, misquote and add hyperbolic outrage
emulatorloo
Mar 2013
#56
My God, Obama is likely going to be blackmailed by a veritable passel of poisoned pills: when will
indepat
Mar 2013
#60
That's an excuse, not a reason. It's it's always the same excuse used to screw us.
grahamhgreen
Mar 2013
#86
I don't agree. Imagine if they had attached an abortion ban in the same way.
limpyhobbler
Mar 2013
#104
^This^ What if someone put in a bill stripping the pre existing clause from the ACA?
Autumn
Mar 2013
#114