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redgreenandblue

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41. Since we are playing "a-historical what-if", here is how I think it would have played out:
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 06:11 AM
Mar 2013

Lincoln would have droned one or two confederate leaders. After that, the rest of those leaders would have started hiding amongst civilians. Lincoln, under political pressure to be "tough on the south" would have ordered strikes anyway, based on spy reports which would have sometimes been reliable, sometimes not. As a result, there would have been a large number of non-combatants dead.

This would have done a number of things: Northerners with family members in the south would have stopped supporting the war effort. A large number of southerners would have been hell-bent on retaliation independent of any political goals. There would have been retaliation bombings in the north, done by unknown people, targeting civilians and political leaders. These would have not been done with drones but with traditional dynamite. As a result, security would have had to been tightened in the north, a climate of suspicion emerging. Perhaps people with family in the south would have been pre-emptively locked up in camps for security reasons.

Northern forces may have then eventually won the war, but the hatred of them by southerners would have been so strong at that point that attacks on them and their representatives would not have ceased, even long after the formal surrender. The north would have to had occupied the south and kept it under "martial law" for an indefinite time. Likewise, martial law would have been extended to the north due to the fear of "collaborators". Lincoln would have eventually been assassinated, a more "hard-line" person taking his place.

Then say a decade or two later, after countless numbers of drones strikes and "retaliation bombings", civil liberties and the constitution no longer existing in any shape or form, the north would have decided that it can no longer sustain the occupation of the south and allowed secession. The country would have split and both halves would not have recovered from the war for over a century. The USA would as a result today be somewhere in the ballpark of Somalia in terms of development, the balkans in the best case scenario. It would never have been in the shape of contributing to WWII in any meaningful way. All of Europe and Asia would be communist, Hitler having been defeated by the Soviets alone.

How do you bomb military leaders? BainsBane Mar 2013 #1
oh say a well placed drone fired missile into the south carolina capitol bldg arely staircase Mar 2013 #2
Why the South Carolina capitol? HoneychildMooseMoss Mar 2013 #14
i think the individual state governments that were in a state of rebellion retained arely staircase Mar 2013 #15
Would you have posed this question if Bush and not Obama was making the same claims re drones? MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #3
that isn't an option in my scenario arely staircase Mar 2013 #5
I wasn't referring to drones outside the U.S. MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #32
then in what context has president obama suggested using them other than that? arely staircase Mar 2013 #33
I Believe He Had a Right to Target Political Leaders On the Road Mar 2013 #4
would you limit political leaders to the executive branch? arely staircase Mar 2013 #6
I wouldn't. nt Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #7
He probably wouldn't have used it against political leaders Prism Mar 2013 #8
but with lee, jackson, etc. arely staircase Mar 2013 #11
That's fair comment Prism Mar 2013 #18
War is war BainsBane Mar 2013 #16
I think our current drone discussion is quite peripheral Prism Mar 2013 #20
one thing is sure BainsBane Mar 2013 #21
I'm surprised more Democrats don't heed the obvious question Prism Mar 2013 #22
If Lincoln had a time machine and a drone? Check please NightWatcher Mar 2013 #9
well in real life, sure arely staircase Mar 2013 #12
Okay...I laughed out loud at that one! nt. OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #13
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES! WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #30
He did have a drone: Ulric Dhalgren. sofa king Mar 2013 #10
I think you mean moot point... octothorpe Mar 2013 #17
indeed i do arely staircase Mar 2013 #23
John Wilkes Booth was a drone and knocked off a political leader. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #19
depends on which side you are on arely staircase Mar 2013 #24
The war was over. End of combat, end of story. nt DevonRex Mar 2013 #35
Of course treestar Mar 2013 #25
Pointless poll. Wars are fought within the current technological premises. redgreenandblue Mar 2013 #26
well yes it is a completely theoretical discussion arely staircase Mar 2013 #36
Assassination of leaders has existed as long as wars. It has always been of limited strategic value. redgreenandblue Mar 2013 #27
good point, aside from any ethical debate on the subject arely staircase Mar 2013 #37
I'm guessing you are trying to derive from this an argument in favor of redgreenandblue Mar 2013 #40
then you guess wrong arely staircase Mar 2013 #43
Si. graham4anything Mar 2013 #28
Funny you should put it that way... JHB Mar 2013 #29
We'd argue over the Ethics of using Whale Oil to power it. nt One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #31
no need. i'm assuming lincoln having drones means arely staircase Mar 2013 #38
He could use it on vampires Capt. Obvious Mar 2013 #34
not really arely staircase Mar 2013 #39
Since we are playing "a-historical what-if", here is how I think it would have played out: redgreenandblue Mar 2013 #41
...it would be cool if they put a big fuckin' hat on it. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #42
I voted just as you were editing to remove the poll. MineralMan Mar 2013 #44
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