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In reply to the discussion: Boehner asks what he gets for $800b. Obama: "You get nothing." [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)76. I love the consequences for them:
1. The tax cuts expire.
2. Sequestration ($1 trillion Budget Control Act), which includes $500 billion in defense cuts, automatically kicks in.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022054555#post14
This is what will happen automatically. Tax cuts expire and destroy the deficit. Half a trillion in defense cuts, and it won't be a political gambit - they agreed to it, because of the sacred deficit.
This will be first real cut to the MIC in my lifetime and a move to a peacetime economy.
The deficit that they want paid off by those who have no money to pay, so that the only thing they have left to pay with is their lives. That is wrong and should not be happening. To the GOP, Tea Party and Libertarians, worshippers of Ayn Rand, yes. To Democrats it will never be.
This accomplishes two essential things that these people resisted all year long. Yes, their time may be over with, which is why their media is going to continue to promote armed rebellion. Because war is their only solution to everything, that and the fossil fuel industry is how they became wealthy beyond any need and their method for creating winners and losers:
Thanks to Whovian who used that graphic in a thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2033923
And many thanks to jtuck004 who gave me some links identifying this group:
http://public-accountability.org/2012/12/operation-fiscal-bluff/
http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/executive_excess_2012
The CEO Campaign to "Fix" the Debt: A Trojan Horse for Massive Corporate Tax Breaks
http://truth-out.org/speakout/item/12955-the-ceo-campaign-to-fix-the-debt-a-trojan-horse-for-massive-corporate-tax-breaks
Those are good reads there. This is a big loss for them but they still have plenty of money. The Koch brothers also figure into this, and their shill Grover Nordquist promises to unleash what he calls Tea Party Two because of Obama's resisting.
Koch wealth grew from $7.5 billion to $50 billion in 7 years ripping us off w/ oil speculation
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/09/21/324969/forbes-koch-brothers-now-worth-50-billion/?mobile=nc
This is worth a read and is from a thread posted by RepublicansRZombies . The last post explains what is happening. The Koches and their followers resist taxes and they brainwashed a generation to think it's evil to fund government. But there is never an end to having to pay. Read the words of AZ Progressive:
This is the Koch Brother's TAX on the American people
They've peddled the ultimate reverse robin hood scheme, taxing the American people at the pump through oil speculation, making $43 billion dollars in the process and putting undeserved hardship on Americans (which is what Republicans love to do.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021276224
This is all shades of what Eisenhower warned us of over half a century ago, of wealthy oil men who he called few and stupid, who he didn't believe would be able to take over the GOP. He was wrong.
The GOP resisted every bill the president asked for in his first few years, with demands he agree to the Keystone pipeline in any budget deals, or personhood riders. He did neither and they will be mounting another 2010 campaign from 2013 thorugh 2014. This battle is ours to lose.
2. Sequestration ($1 trillion Budget Control Act), which includes $500 billion in defense cuts, automatically kicks in.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022054555#post14
This is what will happen automatically. Tax cuts expire and destroy the deficit. Half a trillion in defense cuts, and it won't be a political gambit - they agreed to it, because of the sacred deficit.
This will be first real cut to the MIC in my lifetime and a move to a peacetime economy.
The deficit that they want paid off by those who have no money to pay, so that the only thing they have left to pay with is their lives. That is wrong and should not be happening. To the GOP, Tea Party and Libertarians, worshippers of Ayn Rand, yes. To Democrats it will never be.
This accomplishes two essential things that these people resisted all year long. Yes, their time may be over with, which is why their media is going to continue to promote armed rebellion. Because war is their only solution to everything, that and the fossil fuel industry is how they became wealthy beyond any need and their method for creating winners and losers:
Thanks to Whovian who used that graphic in a thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2033923
And many thanks to jtuck004 who gave me some links identifying this group:
http://public-accountability.org/2012/12/operation-fiscal-bluff/
http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/executive_excess_2012
The CEO Campaign to "Fix" the Debt: A Trojan Horse for Massive Corporate Tax Breaks
http://truth-out.org/speakout/item/12955-the-ceo-campaign-to-fix-the-debt-a-trojan-horse-for-massive-corporate-tax-breaks
Those are good reads there. This is a big loss for them but they still have plenty of money. The Koch brothers also figure into this, and their shill Grover Nordquist promises to unleash what he calls Tea Party Two because of Obama's resisting.
Koch wealth grew from $7.5 billion to $50 billion in 7 years ripping us off w/ oil speculation
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/09/21/324969/forbes-koch-brothers-now-worth-50-billion/?mobile=nc
This is worth a read and is from a thread posted by RepublicansRZombies . The last post explains what is happening. The Koches and their followers resist taxes and they brainwashed a generation to think it's evil to fund government. But there is never an end to having to pay. Read the words of AZ Progressive:
This is the Koch Brother's TAX on the American people
They've peddled the ultimate reverse robin hood scheme, taxing the American people at the pump through oil speculation, making $43 billion dollars in the process and putting undeserved hardship on Americans (which is what Republicans love to do.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021276224
This is all shades of what Eisenhower warned us of over half a century ago, of wealthy oil men who he called few and stupid, who he didn't believe would be able to take over the GOP. He was wrong.
The GOP resisted every bill the president asked for in his first few years, with demands he agree to the Keystone pipeline in any budget deals, or personhood riders. He did neither and they will be mounting another 2010 campaign from 2013 thorugh 2014. This battle is ours to lose.
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I was thinking more like Michael Corleone in the Godfather to the Senator from Nevada. "You get
monmouth3
Dec 2012
#20
Does this mean the Speaker is going to have a dead hooker problem in the near future? n/t
DefenseLawyer
Dec 2012
#35
Not to nitpick. Only because The Godfather II is maybe the only sequel I liked more
brewens
Dec 2012
#52
Me too! I was thinking Vito Corleone with Johnny Fontaine's manager when Boehner
appacom
Dec 2012
#82
President Obama has the patience of a saint. I would have given Boehner something to cry about!
Sunlei
Dec 2012
#50
You're right. Very patient. He's going to keep insisting that SS be cut until Boehner accepts it.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#81
If he supports cutting SS with chained-CPI, shouldn't you? Why so unhappy about it?
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#94
Not a cut for low income with the exemptions. The Romneys of the world will miss
Sunlei
Dec 2012
#106
You get the satisfaction of knowing that our nation is in better condition than before. That is what
jwirr
Dec 2012
#5
They also don't realize that what is said publicly is not what goes on behind the scenes
democrattotheend
Dec 2012
#26
I actually described three things which will destroy the deficit, without dividing, undersand?
freshwest
Dec 2012
#100
Yea, well, this wouldn't be getting out unless president Obama wanted it to get out...
WCGreen
Dec 2012
#63
And when corporations send jobs overseas that means less taxes from workers.
LiberalFighter
Dec 2012
#48
If you google the headline, usually one of the links to it lets you in behind the pay wall. I don't
Pirate Smile
Dec 2012
#62
Sounds like Obama is almost ready to have his very own "Network" moment. You know, that
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#30
I want a hamburger, no a cheeseburger. I want a hotdog. I want a milkshake.
DefenseLawyer
Dec 2012
#33
Great comeback by Obama. I'm sure the article is an interesting read but............
George II
Dec 2012
#47
Not to mention making them pay for trying to take him down these past four years..
Kahuna
Dec 2012
#70
Me too! It's been HARD to watch & scarey too! I could figure some of it out, but NOT enough.
patrice
Dec 2012
#71
Chuck Colson worked for Nixon, not LBJ. And you attribute such a vulgar quote to LBJ?
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#98
What you say is besides the point. The issue is whether LBJ or Colsen said that.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#120
LBJ might as well have said it. After all, it is indisutable that LBJ
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#122
No. What is falsely being attributed to LBJ (a Democrat) is the exact opposite of what he said
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#123
Oy vey. I hope you have a good holiday, my friend. I'm amused by LBJ's
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#127
He needs to crush some balls, not try to compromise with these repugnant a-holes
budkin
Dec 2012
#99
seriously, you've NEVER heard/read the press refer to any presidents as "Mr...." ?
eShirl
Dec 2012
#105
I've always understood the usage to be a step up from just using their last name
bigtree
Dec 2012
#116