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Damn right. We must reframe the gun issue and deal with it harsly as a terror instrument graham4anything Dec 2012 #1
I say this as politely as I can -- the entire OP is factually mistaken cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #2
Well, a good many years of historical and Constitutional scholarship don't necessarily... TygrBright Dec 2012 #6
Your education was to no avail cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #13
The Constitution (of which the Bill of Rights is a part)... TygrBright Dec 2012 #15
Oh, FFS... cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #16
The point is absolutely debatable. blackspade Dec 2012 #22
I'll try all caps... IT IS NOT A MATTER OF OPINION cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #47
Again, that is your opinion. blackspade Dec 2012 #61
It remains a fact whether you know it or not cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #78
This is how we get global warming and evolution debates. JVS Dec 2012 #90
Um, yeah..... blackspade Dec 2012 #116
And you refuse to provide DATA.... blackspade Dec 2012 #99
type: incorporation bill rights into the Google search box top-right of this page cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #102
I did actually. blackspade Dec 2012 #114
Okay. So you are now *willfully* ignorant. cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #118
Awesome indeed. blackspade Dec 2012 #132
Try this AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #151
actually, that the bill of rights applied only to the federal gov't originally is a matter of fact, HiPointDem Dec 2012 #121
As I pointed out... blackspade Dec 2012 #133
fail HiPointDem Dec 2012 #134
.... blackspade Dec 2012 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author ruxpin Dec 2012 #145
Arguing legal issues with a non-lawyer COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #38
Hey, you two . . . brush Dec 2012 #68
No thanks. I'll continue to stand for truth over lies cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #80
Why do you find it necessary to insult everyone and call them stupid and liars? pangaia Dec 2012 #148
It doesn't matter AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #152
IMO, there is only one thing worse than ignorance, and that is WILLFUL ignorance. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #72
It is amazing cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #81
You are a better person than me. X_Digger Dec 2012 #141
Get on the fucking bus or get off AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #153
It goes to show ....... oldhippie Dec 2012 #113
You just said what I've been thinking as I am reading this exchange. nt DeschutesRiver Dec 2012 #172
That is simply false. white_wolf Dec 2012 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author ruxpin Dec 2012 #144
It is not nearly as simple as that. cheapdate Dec 2012 #103
As American law cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #111
The fact that it even went to the Supreme Court in 1833 cheapdate Dec 2012 #112
Wrong, and that's settled in the Constitution's own words. caseymoz Dec 2012 #155
Flat wrong cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #165
Wrong. And there's not even any doubt about this. caseymoz Dec 2012 #150
I have to agree with Cthulhu here, you make a profound error jberryhill Dec 2012 #126
See #150, and Article VI Section 2 of the Constitution. caseymoz Dec 2012 #158
Not only is it not "spelled out there" jberryhill Dec 2012 #159
Why clarify the state/fed relationship with this clause, then? caseymoz Dec 2012 #160
"Case law is just another opinion" jberryhill Dec 2012 #161
Glad we can agree in a limited way. caseymoz Dec 2012 #164
But your opinion is not historical fact jberryhill Dec 2012 #167
How can opinion take precedence over a written article? caseymoz Dec 2012 #169
When it is signed by a majority of the Supreme Court jberryhill Dec 2012 #171
Where did you go to school? naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #140
Consider the preceding 100 replies in this thread cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #166
maybe I replied to the wrong person... naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #168
thanks. You are so right. cali Dec 2012 #8
Excellent post. n/t Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #27
And - say this as politely as I can - you're full of shit. baldguy Dec 2012 #43
Then why not get off your butt cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author ruxpin Dec 2012 #146
Actually, I say it as politely as I can nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #49
They want military firepower without the military discipline & civilian control that goes with it. baldguy Dec 2012 #69
Yup nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #76
They disregard that whole "well regulated" piece of it. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #105
"you remember school English? I guess you don't." zappaman Dec 2012 #83
What about the Supremacy Clause? renie408 Dec 2012 #67
You get trapped in a logical loop there jberryhill Dec 2012 #130
You have bought the Fox "News" bullshit Doctor_J Dec 2012 #70
Sigh... cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #82
You are correct Brainstormy Dec 2012 #74
One of the most powerful aspects of the U.S. constitution cheapdate Dec 2012 #98
those pesky details tahoelewis Dec 2012 #129
But the tenth amendment is not a restriction on government power in the first place jberryhill Dec 2012 #131
Yep, pesky details ruxpin Dec 2012 #147
Here's why you're completely wrong jeff47 Dec 2012 #135
i agree with the essence of what the OP was saying samsingh Dec 2012 #156
Thank you so much. Excellent OP. freshwest Dec 2012 #3
Thanks for your OP, TygrBright. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #4
This is true. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #28
Read Perpich v DOD Kennah Dec 2012 #5
I never stated that the militia IS the US military. nt TygrBright Dec 2012 #7
What you said was ... Kennah Dec 2012 #9
Well, I'm originally from Minnesota, and the Hamline University... TygrBright Dec 2012 #10
You missed a spot Kennah Dec 2012 #11
LOL... hand me some more steel wool. n/t TygrBright Dec 2012 #12
Be careful. You don't wanna set the danged thing off in your hand. Kennah Dec 2012 #14
Okay, you can have your guns SCVDem Dec 2012 #17
And printing presses, too? Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #29
What about machine guns, RPGs, anti-aircraft missiles? Hugabear Dec 2012 #37
crew-served weaponry. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #40
If you want to look at it historically ElbarDee Dec 2012 #42
That's right. And we have the National Guard and state, county and city/town police brush Dec 2012 #115
That is called bobclark86 Dec 2012 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #39
My bad. SCVDem Dec 2012 #64
The nut jobs don't make a lot of sense to me! glowing Dec 2012 #18
You are correct TygrBright fasttense Dec 2012 #19
No, he is not. Nor are you. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #30
Of course the tenth amendment was passed and ratified well after the rest of it nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #50
I don't understand what you are trying to say. n/t Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #51
You might want to read the tenth nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #54
I read it, and still don't see the point you are trying to make. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #60
What part of all other rights are you purposely missing? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #77
Nothing, I just don't see the point you are trying to make. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #85
Read it again nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #86
This (the tenth amendment) references powers, not rights ..... oldhippie Dec 2012 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author cheapdate Dec 2012 #110
A mentally ill person shooting little kids is not part of a well regulated militia Botany Dec 2012 #20
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the 1st amendment does not mention "Life, Liberty.... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #44
Exactly. blackspade Dec 2012 #21
That is one hell of an opinion you have there, but it is utterly indefensible. 1-Old-Man Dec 2012 #23
It's Quite Defensible ProfessorGAC Dec 2012 #25
Well said Champion Jack Dec 2012 #33
'Xept the history is all but scant nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #55
Why is such a compelling argument "indefensible"? OleDogg1945 Dec 2012 #125
Great Read, Tygr ProfessorGAC Dec 2012 #24
Sorry, this is just wrong. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #26
You might want to read Federalist 29 nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #57
Fed 29 was in large part, a treatise on the proper organization of the militia X_Digger Dec 2012 #142
The Purpose of The Second Amendment JGug1 Dec 2012 #31
I get the distinct impression that you won't make it to ten posts. n/t A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #48
Oh for crying out lows, there is plenty of contemporary documentation nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #56
It may very well happen treestar Dec 2012 #58
It DOES matter what the intent was. Lex Dec 2012 #66
Thomas Jefferson frank380 Dec 2012 #32
The gun culture would provide no help whatsoever against Doctor_J Dec 2012 #71
The fact that americans are doing nothing frank380 Dec 2012 #108
Because the Constitution changes over time Doctor_J Dec 2012 #117
Is TJ the author of the second amendment? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #127
Agree, we have a political system that allows "revolutions" every 4 years. Old and In the Way Dec 2012 #34
The Second Amendment was about three differnet types of protection: marble falls Dec 2012 #35
IMO it's the "right of self-defense" not the "right to keep and bear arms" that is the key issue. jody Dec 2012 #36
Taken together and in context, the 2nd and 3rd Amendments exist because we're not supposed to have TransitJohn Dec 2012 #41
The Constitution is not a suicide pact Progressive dog Dec 2012 #45
If the purpose was to creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #92
I disagree Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #46
The amendment states its purpose quite clearly drm604 Dec 2012 #52
It is a teaching of sorts. Three different kinds of "states", ... Trillo Dec 2012 #73
Exactly! fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #101
K&R treestar Dec 2012 #53
K/R moondust Dec 2012 #59
Logic problem: before the Revolution, the British gov't WAS "our government". Romulox Dec 2012 #62
Don't forget the Indians. The Midway Rebel Dec 2012 #63
You're wasting your time LittleBlue Dec 2012 #65
First Amendment: "Can't Yell Fire" Second Amendment: "Can't Open Fire" napkinz Dec 2012 #75
"Free State" confuses some of those who misinterpret mzmolly Dec 2012 #79
You are correct. Not many people even know that the 2nd Amendment was to keep citizens armed in Lint Head Dec 2012 #84
To all gun-worshipers who think the 2nd will protect you from your government, MsPithy Dec 2012 #87
Yep. And that will not happen. Amonester Dec 2012 #95
You're BACK!!!!! Yay!!! When did you come back? kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #88
+1 NMDemDist2 Dec 2012 #97
Same argument over the same ground for 221 years and counting. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #89
The 2nd Amendment reads: sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #94
Great point, and ProSense Dec 2012 #96
TWO WORDS: WELL REGULATED fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #100
Isn't Our Military The Well Regulated otohara Dec 2012 #106
Not Sure You Get My Point fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #107
Imagine if we were as serious about "guns" as we are "automobiles" libdem4life Dec 2012 #104
Guns/Cars Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #162
I'm guessing this is sincere. The same is true for your kids...up to some level you can do to or libdem4life Dec 2012 #163
Actually, the only thing that could change the current SCOTUS interpretation amandabeech Dec 2012 #109
Collective right vs. individual right. moondust Dec 2012 #119
Time to REPEAL the second amendment Dems to Win Dec 2012 #122
What a load of horse puckey Android3.14 Dec 2012 #123
John Adams Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #128
We can always cherry pick our quotes to support our own bias Android3.14 Dec 2012 #137
This OP does not offer a holistic analysis of the Colonial / Constitution era context... reeds2012 Dec 2012 #138
Exaxtly !!! The forefathers were scared shitless that England would come back ( they did in 1812) SoCalDem Dec 2012 #139
This message was self-deleted by its author jeanmarc Dec 2012 #143
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #149
Amen! And a question: tblue Dec 2012 #154
Well rtracey Dec 2012 #157
I think Jefferson put it pretty succinctly when he stated: GoingUnder Dec 2012 #170
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