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In reply to the discussion: The 2nd Amendment was NOT written "to protect us from our gov't," FFS... [View all]cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)2. I say this as politely as I can -- the entire OP is factually mistaken
I don't think you are a bad person. I think you somehow actually believe this stuff, so please allow yourself to be educated on the topic.
The 2nd Amd was written as a limitation on the federal government, and only the federal government.
Its only effect is that the federal government could not ban gun ownership.
If gun ownership was in service of a federal function then there would have been no need or wish for the 2nd Amd. (Think it through.)
It does not require anyone to have a gun. It does not mandate state militias. I limits the federal government's ability to regulate arms. Period.
This sentence may the the least correct thing I have read this week:
Most of those protections were aimed, not at protecting citizens of the new nation from their own central government, but from the encroachments of STATE governments,
Before the 14th Amendment not one word of the bill of rights applied to the states. This is not opinion. It is fact.
It would be more effective to talk about the way the world is different than in the 1780s than to simply invent false history about what the world was like in the 1780s.
The 2nd Amd is a weird relic, but it was most assuredly crafted to secure the state's/people's rights against the federal government.
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The 2nd Amendment was NOT written "to protect us from our gov't," FFS... [View all]
TygrBright
Dec 2012
OP
Damn right. We must reframe the gun issue and deal with it harsly as a terror instrument
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#1
Well, a good many years of historical and Constitutional scholarship don't necessarily...
TygrBright
Dec 2012
#6
type: incorporation bill rights into the Google search box top-right of this page
cthulu2016
Dec 2012
#102
actually, that the bill of rights applied only to the federal gov't originally is a matter of fact,
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#121
Why do you find it necessary to insult everyone and call them stupid and liars?
pangaia
Dec 2012
#148
IMO, there is only one thing worse than ignorance, and that is WILLFUL ignorance.
cleanhippie
Dec 2012
#72
You just said what I've been thinking as I am reading this exchange. nt
DeschutesRiver
Dec 2012
#172
They want military firepower without the military discipline & civilian control that goes with it.
baldguy
Dec 2012
#69
But the tenth amendment is not a restriction on government power in the first place
jberryhill
Dec 2012
#131
That's right. And we have the National Guard and state, county and city/town police
brush
Dec 2012
#115
Of course the tenth amendment was passed and ratified well after the rest of it
nadinbrzezinski
Dec 2012
#50
A mentally ill person shooting little kids is not part of a well regulated militia
Botany
Dec 2012
#20
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the 1st amendment does not mention "Life, Liberty....
A HERETIC I AM
Dec 2012
#44
That is one hell of an opinion you have there, but it is utterly indefensible.
1-Old-Man
Dec 2012
#23
Fed 29 was in large part, a treatise on the proper organization of the militia
X_Digger
Dec 2012
#142
Agree, we have a political system that allows "revolutions" every 4 years.
Old and In the Way
Dec 2012
#34
IMO it's the "right of self-defense" not the "right to keep and bear arms" that is the key issue.
jody
Dec 2012
#36
Taken together and in context, the 2nd and 3rd Amendments exist because we're not supposed to have
TransitJohn
Dec 2012
#41
You are correct. Not many people even know that the 2nd Amendment was to keep citizens armed in
Lint Head
Dec 2012
#84
I'm guessing this is sincere. The same is true for your kids...up to some level you can do to or
libdem4life
Dec 2012
#163
Actually, the only thing that could change the current SCOTUS interpretation
amandabeech
Dec 2012
#109
This OP does not offer a holistic analysis of the Colonial / Constitution era context...
reeds2012
Dec 2012
#138