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ExciteBike66

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108. I can't comment on the groups criteria for being a part of the camp

Wed Apr 24, 2024, 04:15 PM

Apr 24

But the fact that the they have criteria means they will bar those who do not agree with them. It seems like good policy to separate those who agree from those who do not (who can still be nearby, just not IN the camp, plenty of space on that quad if you look from the air). It's normal to keep protests separate from non- protestors and or counter protestors.

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Last night Butler Lawn, Columbia University: "We have Zionists who have entered the camp" [View all] lapucelle Apr 22 OP

Time for some arrests. Irish_Dem Apr 22 #1

.... lapucelle Apr 22 #2

OMG! This not the place. TeamProg Apr 22 #20

To use a Futurama reference... Jedi Guy Apr 23 #26

Exactly. revmclaren Apr 23 #28

I'm sure that if they had their way... Jedi Guy Apr 23 #31

Actual Nazis did horrible, horrible things to their fellow men and women. These students did not TeamProg Apr 23 #35

Non-members or Jews? EX500rider Apr 23 #36

Opposing protesters is what I wrote. It seems you missed my main point. TeamProg Apr 23 #38

No here's what you wrote verbatim EX500rider Apr 23 #41

First off, their 'club' isn't a real thing so 'non-members' aren't a TeamProg Apr 23 #43

So you're repudiating the terms you introduced into the discussion. lapucelle Apr 23 #61

That's just cemantics, the important thing is, if justice prevails, history will NOT be kind. TeamProg Apr 23 #62

You are correct, history will not be kind to anti-Semitism on US campuses EX500rider Apr 23 #66

For the hundredth millionth time, it's not anti-semetic to be Anti-Netanyahu / Anti-Israeli politics. To blend the two TeamProg Apr 23 #67

Yes I am sure these chants are just "anti-netanyahu" lol EX500rider Apr 23 #73

To exclude someone because they are jewish is not the same getagrip_already Apr 23 #83

But atreides1 Apr 23 #84

IMHO, you are totally missing the plot here. Happy Hoosier Apr 23 #39

What I see is Israel annexing land beyond the 1948 Partition. TeamProg Apr 23 #44

You know it was the Arabs that attecked them, right? Happy Hoosier Apr 23 #46

You did not address the land annexation issue. TeamProg Apr 23 #47

Israel took Gaza from Egypt and the Gohlan from Syria because they kept using them as jumping off points for attacks ripcord Apr 25 #118

What does that have to do with Jews in the U.S.? ripcord Apr 23 #59

That's two different issues. #1: 'Pro' and 'opposition' to Israel's retaliation is worldwide. #2: I didn't hear the pro TeamProg Apr 23 #60

The protesters were using the word "Zionist" Mossfern Apr 23 #69

Were they addressing Jews they knew to be Zionist forthemiddle Apr 23 #81

the identifier was allegedly a visible Magen David necklace so yeah MistakenLamb Apr 24 #91

I can't speak for the history, but presently, annexing land that is not Israel's as was designated in the 1948 Partition TeamProg Apr 24 #93

You keep bringing up this 1948 partition The Revolution Apr 24 #114

It was drawn up in late 1947, but not put into place until 1948. That's why it's called the 1948 Partition. TeamProg Apr 24 #116

But it was never put in place The Revolution Apr 25 #117

Israel was granted land in the Partition ripcord Apr 25 #119

Actual Nazis started small and gradually escalated from there. Jedi Guy Apr 23 #42

+1 betsuni Apr 23 #89

Actual Nazis did not begin with the "horrible things" wnylib Apr 24 #92

"Actual Nazis did horrible, horrible things to their fellow men and women." keithbvadu2 Apr 24 #102

I disagree. Happy Hoosier Apr 23 #37

I admit I'm a bit flummoxed by the actions of these students TexasDem69 Apr 22 #3

It is both. Ace Rothstein Apr 22 #6

Both, yup. And naive and performative outrage to get laid. AnrothElf Apr 22 #19

Some of Rebl2 Apr 23 #56

that's already been answered stopdiggin Apr 23 #68

"Outside agitators" was the term used during the anti-Vietnam War protests. sop Apr 24 #101

You shouldn't be. Happy Hoosier Apr 23 #40

Yeah, fucking Authoritarian Anti Semitic Assholes.. Cha Apr 22 #4

"a private, exclusive, no-Zionists-allowed community on your campus quad." betsuni Apr 22 #10

Yes , Obvious. Who the hell do they think they are? Cha Apr 22 #11

Well, on the video of some of them being arrested: "Why are you doing this to me?" betsuni Apr 23 #34

Pity Wallow Harder protesters. Cha Apr 23 #75

Your posts on this are radioactive sarisataka Apr 22 #5

I would imagine that some people might have me on "ignore". lapucelle Apr 22 #9

WTF indeed. yardwork Apr 22 #7

Protesters demanding privacy. betsuni Apr 22 #8

.. Cha Apr 22 #12

Ludicrous. How dare obvious anti-Semitism be reported! Must be right-wing sources and betsuni Apr 23 #32

what a lot of people have been pointing to all along stopdiggin Apr 22 #13

Anti-Zionism is antisemitism. nt LexVegas Apr 22 #14

and is anybody else struck by the absolute CRINGE factor stopdiggin Apr 22 #15

Kinda slaps you in the face, so yeah... I was struck by that AnrothElf Apr 22 #18

Yes! betsuni Apr 23 #23

serious cringe stopdiggin Apr 23 #24

At first I read the OP as "We have Zombies who have entered the camp" and thought fine, as in any horror movie you betsuni Apr 23 #29

Disturbing... the whole chanting hivemind mass insanity of it all. AnrothElf Apr 22 #16

This has a certain Occupy Wall Street/Zuccotti Park sit-in vibe to it. sop Apr 24 #104

Yah I was one of those people who was into OWS at first. AnrothElf Apr 24 #105

Chilling! Mossfern Apr 22 #17

Post removed Post removed Apr 23 #30

Cult shit Mountainguy Apr 22 #21

The term Zeitghost Apr 22 #22

These fanatics Mz Pip Apr 23 #25

Columbia is on private property, and that means protesters do not JohnSJ Apr 23 #27

Disgusting, isn't it? I'm not surprised at all. Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #33

This::::: TeamProg Apr 23 #45

Sorry, "Quick look over here!" doesn't work on me. lapucelle Apr 23 #49

Do the perspectives of your fellow humans and ideological house mates hold any weight? TeamProg Apr 23 #50

Sometimes *people* who proffer unsolicited advice lapucelle Apr 23 #74

Jewish students at Colombia aren't responsible for the comradebillyboy Apr 23 #57

Well, of course not. Not sure how that relates through all of the back and forth, though. I am neither Muslim, TeamProg Apr 23 #58

Yeah, but the GD Anti Semitic Protesters don't Cha Apr 23 #88

That has absolutely nothing to do with US Jews ripcord Apr 23 #71

A level ugliness I'd hoped would not be met Torchlight Apr 23 #48

Columbia has allowed the encampment to take a specific space for their protest (a whole Lawn) ExciteBike66 Apr 23 #51

How about nobody throws punches? RandySF Apr 23 #52

If counter protestors do not mingle, punches would be tough. ExciteBike66 Apr 23 #54

Can you show me where Columbia gave permission for these groups to have exclusive use of the quad? ripcord Apr 23 #63

There was a story about a business school professor who wanted to enter the protest area... ExciteBike66 Apr 23 #76

the University has said that "Zionist" cannot mingle? stopdiggin Apr 23 #70

There is a business school professor who wanted to mingle ExciteBike66 Apr 23 #77

a 'safety issue' adopted (and enforced) entirely at the hands of stopdiggin Apr 23 #72

Google Shai Davidai ExciteBike66 Apr 23 #80

Columbia hasn't "allowed the encampment to take a specific space for their protest". lapucelle Apr 23 #78

Actually, the university is keeping counter protestors out... ExciteBike66 Apr 23 #79

There is no "tacit agreement" between the Columbia University and the encampment trespassers. lapucelle Apr 23 #85

This discussion is about who is keeping pro Israel folks out. ExciteBike66 Apr 23 #86

This discussion is about the false claim lapucelle Apr 23 #87

And columbia itself had kept non protesters away. ExciteBike66 Apr 24 #90

Were the Jewish students counter protesters Mossfern Apr 24 #94

I'll be brave and respond 'cause I do like dialogue with you even though we disagree on much about this situation. Nanjeanne Apr 24 #96

Thank you for being brave! Honestly. Mossfern Apr 24 #99

The only incident i have actually seen reported on is the professor, Shai Davidai ExciteBike66 Apr 24 #100

So you see the actions of creating a human chain and chanting Mossfern Apr 24 #103

Non- campers trying to enter the camp? ExciteBike66 Apr 24 #106

Were the students protesting? Mossfern Apr 24 #107

I can't comment on the groups criteria for being a part of the camp ExciteBike66 Apr 24 #108

I'd love to know what the critera are. Mossfern Apr 24 #109

That's odd that it would seem orwellian. ExciteBike66 Apr 24 #110

So they are a separate entity given authority by the administration of Columbia? Mossfern Apr 24 #111

There are jews in the camp, so they are not excluded based on ethnicity... ExciteBike66 Apr 24 #112

Call me "Pollyanna" Mossfern Apr 24 #113

I think their goal is dialogue with the university, not with supporters of Israel. ExciteBike66 Apr 24 #115

I would have kept walking, not stopped for their human chain ripcord Apr 25 #120

Didn't these fools learn from the Safe Space We Need Some Muscle prof at Missouri? Prairie Gates Apr 23 #53

These protestors are cowards and frauds. madaboutharry Apr 23 #55

NYU protesters had mass-produced signs: Capitalism is deadly, Dismantle the Police State. betsuni Apr 23 #65

Very unnerving and upsetting. Fla Dem Apr 23 #64

That is certainly ugly. While I think students have the right to protest - I'm not sure what their right to privacy is. Nanjeanne Apr 23 #82

Did the excluded students identify as Zionists? Mossfern Apr 24 #95

I can't really tell from the video really much but I don't think anyone was a "victim". Victim to me implies something Nanjeanne Apr 24 #97

I meant it as figurative Mossfern Apr 24 #98

That was at Columbia? DFW Apr 25 #121