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dickthegrouch

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21. There is a much wider questions here
Mon Apr 15, 2024, 07:43 PM
Apr 15

Other countries have different systems, the UK only requires 9 out of 12 jurors to convict.

But the wider issue is: why do so many seemingly broken legal constructs remain broken for so long?

Even when majorities make wholesale changes possible, they do not occur.

Three examples:
The ability of people with nefarious intent to sue over the injuries they caused themselves that prevented them from completing the crime,
The travesty of ADA suits against any business regardless of whether it is possible to modify the structure to accommodate a disabled person, or whether a disabled person was actually unable to be accommodated,
The use of public money to right wrongs perpetrated by individuals outside of department policy.

All those things could (have) been fixed decades ago if the lawmakers had any will to do so.


(Full disclosure: not one but two of my favorite restaurants were bankrupted by corrupt ADA litigators, who caused them to spend far in excess of any actual damages, trying to remedy the problems of accessibility in very old buildings, multiple times. In each case the City inspector approved the modifications but the ADA litigator managed to hold the business owner to a different standard.
For the record: I don't disagree with the principle of enabling disabled access, I disagree vehemently with it being required regardless of the remediation cost being physically feasible or a substantial proportion of revenue.)

Do you want to change the entire justice system? TexasDem69 Apr 15 #1
There is no aspect of our civilization marybourg Apr 15 #8
Lynchings are SO passe JoseBalow Apr 15 #35
I agree. Aristus Apr 15 #2
I wouldn't depend on comforting stereotypes Bucky Apr 15 #27
That's the way the jury works. All 12 could say not guilty or all 12 could say guilty and any numbers in between jimfields33 Apr 15 #3
Thank you for saying that. I'm sure that won't be mentioned much in the next few weeks. ificandream Apr 15 #12
A lot of emotions are going on. Even with me. jimfields33 Apr 15 #29
This is how juries work, yes. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 15 #4
And probably get a lot of money for it, too. Think. Again. Apr 15 #5
I'm not sure it does Trump any good to have a single Trumpie do a jury nullification gulliver Apr 15 #6
I agree. There are nuts that will support Trump no matter what. LiberalFighter Apr 15 #10
Hopefully, prosecutors recognize any severely biased Trump supporter. LiberalFighter Apr 15 #7
Suggested question to get them to reveal themselves in the voir dire: GopherGal Apr 15 #9
As someone who picks juries from time to time former9thward Apr 15 #11
If you asked me that question, I'd say "I don't care what you call me, especially in the third person" brooklynite Apr 15 #20
Describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about... JoseBalow Apr 15 #36
Jury nullification has been around for a long, long time. keithbvadu2 Apr 15 #13
Yes it has. And a lot of people who have TheProle Apr 15 #14
The prosecutors are going to be very careful in approving any jurors that might be biased. honest.abe Apr 15 #15
as will the defense... WarGamer Apr 15 #16
No doubt. Thats why it might take awhile to get 12. honest.abe Apr 15 #22
I bet it takes 2 weeks Bucky Apr 15 #26
Prosecutors have a limited number of people they can strike. But, they do not approve jurors 33taw Apr 15 #28
Thank you for the clarification. That's good to know. honest.abe Apr 15 #33
Name a trial in the last 10 years when a RWer has spiked a jury. brooklynite Apr 15 #17
WAPO: How a Trump-supporting juror in the Manafort trial was a beacon of justice emulatorloo Apr 15 #18
Would 10/12 or 11/12 be better? moondust Apr 15 #19
Breaking News: WE are "a deeply polarized tribal society" Bucky Apr 15 #25
There is a much wider questions here dickthegrouch Apr 15 #21
CBS Blue Bloods just had an episode addressing this /nt dickthegrouch Monday #37
11 jurors voting to convict you is not a good look prodigitalson Apr 15 #23
It's called the Jury System. It is less imperfect than any alternative Bucky Apr 15 #24
No one has mentioned what happens then. Cartoonist Apr 15 #30
I would consider that just as bad as a conviction. LiberalFighter Apr 15 #32
It is possible. But it is also possible the jurors will do their job. LiberalFighter Apr 15 #31
That bothered me too, but I read something satisfying... ecstatic Apr 15 #34
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