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Lucky Luciano

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234. Not the children. War is hell.

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No longer defending Israel [View all] angrychair Apr 3 OP

I'm with you. Scrivener7 Apr 3 #1

me too TomDaisy Apr 4 #203

Luckily, President Biden doesn't agree TexasDem69 Apr 3 #2

The quibbling over the word "genocide" reminds me of arguing about what type of gun was . . . . Stinky The Clown Apr 3 #5

The word "genocide" has meaning TexasDem69 Apr 3 #8

Ethnic cleansing, then. LuvLoogie Apr 3 #20

Just as random and just as inapplicable. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #70

It is literal, textbook ethnic cleansing obamanut2012 Apr 4 #113

Whose textbook? Beastly Boy Apr 4 #133

Oh stop. you always do this, and you know exactly what I mean obamanut2012 Apr 4 #151

The rationalizing is appalling, no? BuddhaGirl Apr 4 #169

Everyone forgets the 1940's and what Israeli population went through. jimfields33 Apr 4 #183

Learned their lesson too well OrangeJoe Apr 4 #186

Is this your take on the current conflict? yagotme Apr 5 #261

I have not forgotten agalisgv Apr 4 #223

You want me to stop asking you where you get your stuff so you can keep referring to Beastly Boy Apr 4 #198

My Lai is not an equivalent BigmanPigman Apr 3 #23

gen·o·cide /ˈjenəˌsīd/ quakerboy Apr 3 #24

You do you, I'll do imprecise me Stinky The Clown Apr 3 #26

Because the word is being murielm99 Apr 4 #60

+1 betsuni Apr 4 #66

If Israel doesn't want Palestine to garner the world's sympathy Sky Jewels Apr 4 #80

If they supported the attacks on Israel, but didn't directly participate, they are still guilty. Lucky Luciano Apr 4 #148

Oh, so the thousands of children and teens that Israel has maimed slaughtered and starved are guilty? Sky Jewels Apr 4 #154

Be careful what you wish for OrangeJoe Apr 4 #188

..even the children? whathehell Apr 4 #225

Not the children. War is hell. Lucky Luciano Apr 4 #234

Massacres are worse.. whathehell Apr 4 #235

I think we need to seek the definition of "children" as Hamas sees it. yagotme Apr 5 #262

I can't imagine why one would 'need' to do that, whathehell Apr 6 #313

I'm sure there are some trial courts here in the US that would disagree with you, nt yagotme Apr 11 #318

Lol..I'm not at all sure of that, whathehell Apr 11 #320

I'm sure "children" can be tried as an adult. yagotme Apr 15 #321

In this country.. whathehell Apr 15 #322

The Israeli government is NOT synonymous with "the Jewish people" Sky Jewels Apr 4 #89

Don't you dare say that I murielm99 Apr 4 #90

Oh, that is what you said obamanut2012 Apr 4 #114

I separated the two. murielm99 Apr 4 #142

You are correct, as usual. Oopsie Daisy Apr 4 #112

Apparently your argument is that the word Voltaire2 Apr 4 #123

Thank you. By (incorrectly) using the loaded term "genocide", the interlocutor signals that ... AnrothElf Apr 4 #170

There is no evidence that Israelis are bathing Voltaire2 Apr 4 #171

Thank you. murielm99 Apr 4 #174

+1 betsuni Apr 5 #248

A one-sided war such as this sure looks a lot like genocide. No Palestinians were firing back at the IDF when they were TeamProg Apr 4 #197

A real war? murielm99 Apr 4 #205

THIS IS NOT A "WAR" - IT IS A MASSACRE! The casualty count is far, far too unbalanced to call this a "war". See::: TeamProg Apr 4 #207

I am not going to read any more of your changing explanations murielm99 Apr 4 #209

Hmmm, you are mistaken that I care about what you think of my posts. TeamProg Apr 4 #210

The poster didn't give their own definition.. whathehell Apr 4 #231

I agree. Butterflylady Apr 4 #168

Genocide is Genocide TheCynic56 Apr 4 #125

The UN never said that Israel is committing genocide lapucelle Apr 6 #305

Read the UN definition of genocide. It describes Israel's actions. Lonestarblue Apr 4 #135

No it doesn't. That's why the ICJ denied SA's demands for an immediate cessation lapucelle Apr 6 #308

The same UN that determined in 2005 JustAnotherGen Apr 6 #311

the bombing might not b, but mopinko Apr 4 #141

World Central Kitchen was in touch with the Israeli government . . . markpkessinger Apr 4 #167

Okay, how about mass murder? whathehell Apr 4 #216

Perhaps Hamas should have taken this into account BEFORE attacking Israel... yagotme Apr 5 #263

Great analogy. Basic LA Apr 4 #50

Thank you. Goddessartist Apr 4 #134

If the ICJ ruled tomorrow it was a genocide.... TheRealNorth Apr 4 #180

exactly. how many children are going to be smashed between floors of collapsed buildings TomDaisy Apr 4 #204

They are starving Gaza to death angrychair Apr 3 #6

WAR!! TexasDem69 Apr 3 #11

Money angrychair Apr 3 #16

Your suggestion would probably help wnylib Apr 4 #63

Wasn't talking about given money to Hamas angrychair Apr 4 #76

Yes, the Marshall Plan was an excellent program wnylib Apr 4 #166

Wow the poster said nothing of the sort obamanut2012 Apr 4 #116

Dunno. But I don't want my tax money going to Israel to allow it to continue. 3Hotdogs Apr 3 #29

Pretty sure targeting relief workers dflprincess Apr 3 #39

Not by wiping out every Palestinian in Gaza, KPN Apr 4 #64

There are multiple international treaties that Voltaire2 Apr 4 #94

Posters keep glossing over that obamanut2012 Apr 4 #117

You are still excusing the slaughter obamanut2012 Apr 4 #115

Starvation as a tactic of war is a war crime under the Rome Statute of the ICC markpkessinger Apr 4 #173

Apparently there are some here Mossfern Apr 4 #236

List those repeated attacks. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #72

Dead journalists OrangeJoe Apr 4 #190

Not only are you not citing sources, you are not even referring to the "they" Beastly Boy Apr 4 #201

Citation OrangeJoe Apr 4 #237

Thank you. This is what I was looking for. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #244

Journalists are journalists OrangeJoe Apr 5 #292

Sorry, there is a hell of a difference between propagandists and journalists. Beastly Boy Apr 6 #296

Israel is waging war against... dchill Apr 3 #12

How many bodies will be enough? Bayard Apr 3 #18

The children of the holocaust did not hate Germans for the rest of their lives. SunSeeker Apr 4 #73

They will rebuild Gaza BigMin28 Apr 4 #107

You're right. Gaza could be an opportunity to rethink the whole "middle east vs western culture" conundrum. jaxexpat Apr 4 #127

Not true OrangeJoe Apr 4 #191

Wrong. Golda Meir did not hate Germans. She advocated for reconciliation. SunSeeker Apr 5 #246

You may be right OrangeJoe Apr 5 #290

I've met plenty of elderly Germans who still held a grudge. cab67 Apr 4 #230

I don't think Netanyahu's plan involves Bettie Apr 4 #138

1200 people, so kill 30k and starve the rest of them to death? AllyCat Apr 3 #22

"Attacking unarmed civilians is beyond the pale no matter who does it." TBF Apr 3 #28

No. Even if Hamas does it. If you reread my post, AllyCat Apr 4 #105

He is trying to "root them out" - but I will agree with you that his methods do leave something TBF Apr 4 #136

Strawman OrangeJoe Apr 4 #192

If only that was true... nt sarisataka Apr 4 #199

Actually a lot of folks are not only defending Hamas - TBF Apr 4 #215

Rephrase OrangeJoe Apr 4 #238

Hamas is the Political Leadership JustAnotherGen Apr 7 #314

DU is missing a downvote button. erodriguez Apr 4 #48

I've thought that before and have come to think that that's probably a good thing. It seems to me that...... EarnestPutz Apr 4 #62

Then Israel should not target aid workers. Trueblue Texan Apr 4 #118

I've seen zero sympathy for Hamas on this board.. whathehell Apr 4 #228

I hear you. I do. Semantics aside, there is an important point to make here. PatrickforB Apr 4 #145

With all respect... appmanga Apr 4 #159

Israeli's goal OrangeJoe Apr 4 #185

So, the work permits Israel allowed Palestinians to enter Israel are fake news? yagotme Apr 5 #264

See for yourself OrangeJoe Apr 5 #289

From your post: yagotme Apr 5 #291

From the article you cited OrangeJoe Apr 6 #298

And they also allow for the betterment of Gazan citizens, yagotme Apr 11 #319

Long term goal OrangeJoe Apr 6 #299

So, the population of Israel is 100% Jewish descent by now, right? yagotme Apr 11 #317

I hope you are mistaken. TomSlick Apr 4 #229

Hamas was tacitly supported by the Israeli gov't radius777 Apr 5 #271

Bibi really blew it this time. BigmanPigman Apr 3 #3

I'm confident President Biden will continue to support TexasDem69 Apr 3 #4

Hopefully not angrychair Apr 3 #9

Well TexasDem69 Apr 3 #13

It's hysterical you think Bibi is for democracy obamanut2012 Apr 4 #122

He's for keeping Israel on the map which countries around it would rather they didn't exist jimfields33 Apr 5 #259

'Our great ally Israel' MyOwnPeace Apr 3 #14

Trying to eliminate Hamas and prevent future TexasDem69 Apr 3 #15

The people of Gaza angrychair Apr 3 #19

That is a good question. How many dead is enough? JanMichael Apr 3 #36

The many times I've seen that question asked, MorbidButterflyTat Apr 5 #295

Who, exactly, do you think Hamas is??? yagotme Apr 5 #265

No, that is incorrect angrychair Apr 5 #268

How is my assessment not accurate? yagotme Apr 5 #270

You seem to have your mind made up angrychair Apr 5 #275

As do you: yagotme Apr 5 #280

"Anyone with a sense of decency fully supports Israel." MyOwnPeace Apr 3 #27

None of us has the right to judge which of us has "a sense of decency." ShazzieB Apr 4 #61

I have lots of decency but I absolutely do not support Phoenix61 Apr 4 #111

I don't support the murder of innocent people obamanut2012 Apr 4 #124

I used to support Israel TheCynic56 Apr 4 #126

How dare you? I don't support what Israel is doing at all. Even my Israeli family doesn't support what Nanjeanne Apr 4 #144

Speaking as someone with a sense of decency - cab67 Apr 4 #232

I agree, it's time for ceasefire. yagotme Apr 5 #266

I'm not laying all of this on the Israeli government or the IDL. cab67 Apr 5 #286

I didn't say that you were. yagotme Apr 5 #287

It is not revenge. It is war to eliminate a terrorist organization wnylib Apr 4 #87

+1 betsuni Apr 4 #92

Then he will lose on November obamanut2012 Apr 4 #121

are you being sarcastic? LymphocyteLover Apr 4 #161

What a great ally. NH Ethylene Apr 4 #242

Only those JustAnotherGen Apr 7 #315

This is similar to our war in Iraq after 9/11 Yavin4 Apr 3 #7

Good point, Bayard Apr 3 #21

Correct. VicNEO Apr 3 #44

No, Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist attack. Completely different. betsuni Apr 4 #99

I said "similar to" not "exactly like". n/t Yavin4 Apr 4 #211

And neither did Palestinians - Hamas is an Israeli puppet gov't radius777 Apr 5 #272

Right. War against terrorism Easterncedar Apr 4 #110

If Trump wins, it's gonna get worse. We also provide financial support on a 10 year basis. It's auto-renewed. LeftInTX Apr 4 #132

Bad and worse OrangeJoe Apr 4 #193

A Lancet survey found over 650,000 civilian deaths resulting from the unjust Iraq war Ponietz Apr 4 #184

+1. Israel has already lost, as even Thomas Friedman radius777 Apr 5 #273

DURec leftstreet Apr 3 #10

You can no longer argue that Israel doesn't target civilians. patphil Apr 3 #17

This is a turning point for both Biden and Bibi BigmanPigman Apr 3 #25

Hear Hear! Many DUers are in this position. Basic LA Apr 4 #54

I hear you. Goddessartist Apr 4 #131

That's the spirit ! Basic LA Apr 4 #155

Hang in there, you're doing great. AloeVera Apr 5 #293

Thanks, I have to get grip Basic LA Apr 5 #294

So glad to see you! Goddessartist Apr 6 #307

Blessings to you as well, Goddessartist! AloeVera Apr 6 #310

Good morning! Goddessartist Apr 7 #316

Please try to understand creeksneakers2 Apr 3 #30

There is no question that Biden has a perspective on things that is beyond our ability to see. Earth-shine Apr 3 #33

I was always voting for Biden angrychair Apr 3 #35

Yes. Especially among the young people. creeksneakers2 Apr 4 #47

Gaza is a wasteland and unless the hostages were moved out of there Deuxcents Apr 3 #31

It is not a matter of misplaced revenge Martin Eden Apr 3 #32

BN's actions are what jeopardize the existence of Israel radius777 Apr 5 #277

The purpose of the war is to destroy Hamas. madaboutharry Apr 3 #34

Absolutely on purpose angrychair Apr 3 #40

You are free to believe what you want. madaboutharry Apr 4 #46

It's not what I believe angrychair Apr 4 #49

How does executing WCK workers destroy Hamas? Voltaire2 Apr 4 #96

Have to rec this with a post Mossfern Apr 4 #239

Purposefully bypassing literally 5 layers of safeguards to kill one suspected gunman is not destroying Hamas ... uponit7771 Apr 6 #300

Why isn't anyone putting pressure on Egypt to let Gazan women and children in so they can be safe and fed? SunSeeker Apr 3 #37

That what Israel is trying to do angrychair Apr 3 #41

Israel disengaged and forced all the Jewish settlers out of Gaza in 2005 so Beastly Boy Apr 4 #52

It's not what you think angrychair Apr 4 #55

What I think is that your reply shows no substance or logic to your claims. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #59

I'm not Google. angrychair Apr 4 #74

An opinion piece over 10 years old. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #82

What is wrong with saving women and children from the fighting? SunSeeker Apr 4 #67

You know that's Jared Kushner's idea, right? maxsolomon Apr 4 #164

No, temporarily giving women and children sanctuary in Egypt is not Jared's idea. SunSeeker Apr 5 #249

Egypt doesn't want ethnic cleansing under guise of humanitarianism. AloeVera Apr 4 #181

Israel did not create this mess. Hamas did. Saving women and children is the opposite of ethnic cleansing. SunSeeker Apr 5 #250

EC plus Collective Punishment under guise of humanitarianism AloeVera Apr 5 #260

No, it is not collective punishment for Gaza men, anymore than it was for Ukrainian men. SunSeeker Apr 5 #282

So they can leave and never return. Israel will never let them come back. IronLionZion Apr 4 #58

No, so they can survive. SunSeeker Apr 4 #65

The history of that region in the last 3-5 generations says otherwise. RockRaven Apr 4 #79

What does any of that matter if they are dead? SunSeeker Apr 4 #83

I'm not commenting on the value of their lives only the lack of evidence that RockRaven Apr 4 #84

Don't their lives matter more than the potential risk to Palestinian nationalism? SunSeeker Apr 4 #86

I repeat my previous reply. What you are saying to me is a repeated non sequitur. RockRaven Apr 4 #93

It is not a "non sequitor." I am asking you a question you obviously don't want to answer. SunSeeker Apr 6 #297

The history of the region does not justify letting women and children die in the crossfire of war. nt SunSeeker Apr 5 #247

Of course it doesn't JUSTIFY it. And yet the historical record is awash in it. RockRaven Apr 5 #251

Good, then we're in agreement that Egypt's refusal to temporarily let in Gazan women and children is unjustified. nt SunSeeker Apr 5 #252

I have uttered no comment upon that, so it is odd to assert I agree with it. RockRaven Apr 5 #253

So you're fine with Egypt building a wall and keeping Gazan women and children out? nt SunSeeker Apr 5 #254

As previously with you, I repeat my previous reply in response to your RockRaven Apr 5 #255

Your previous replies are not responsive to this question. This question calls for a yes or a no answer. nt SunSeeker Apr 5 #256

Your question is unrelated to my original reply. Do you pose random questions RockRaven Apr 5 #257

It's not a random, nor an unrelated question. You just don't want to answer it. SunSeeker Apr 5 #258

lol obamanut2012 Apr 4 #219

Israelis have killed almost 200 humanitarian aid workers have now been killed and at least 95 journalists and media summer_in_TX Apr 3 #38

The UN figure is 180, and not all of them were killed by Israeli strikes. SunSeeker Apr 4 #91

It's easier to make mistakes in the dark. summer_in_TX Apr 5 #245

We only needed to look at the recent history of our own blood lust after 9-11. onecaliberal Apr 3 #42

Fuck Israel d_b Apr 3 #43

Fuck Hamas. EllieBC Apr 4 #213

Link to where that poster or ANYONE on DU not a 50-post troll said that obamanut2012 Apr 4 #220

Post removed Post removed Apr 4 #227

I'm with you. AverageOldGuy Apr 3 #45

That si very clever -- small arms ammo only obamanut2012 Apr 4 #221

Did you ever? Behind the Aegis Apr 4 #51

Go look at my posts angrychair Apr 4 #56

Egypt, Lebanon? SunSeeker Apr 4 #69

Point me to one. (I will look later, so just one) EDIT NEVERMIND, I looked... Behind the Aegis Apr 4 #88

Those are not "attacks" angrychair Apr 4 #139

Remember, lift with knees when moving goalposts. Behind the Aegis Apr 4 #194

The search feature has been interesting to review posts from October 7. sarisataka Apr 4 #143

I defended Israel on their Gaza invasion and attacks, up until I learned how they are restricting food so severely that LymphocyteLover Apr 4 #162

the entire area makes me sick Skittles Apr 4 #53

I cannot stop crying. To think that a people who have been persecuted would treat others so! emmacom Apr 4 #57

You mean like the persecuted Palestinians who killed and raped teenage concert goers? SunSeeker Apr 4 #68

Holocaust enid602 Apr 4 #95

How sad that you cannot stop crying, but welcome to DU. lapucelle Apr 6 #309

This is the aftermath of 10/07-The day Hamas broke the ceasefire. sheshe2 Apr 6 #312

If Biden loses to Trump... Xolodno Apr 4 #71

No, we left Vietnam because we lost. SunSeeker Apr 4 #75

Well, I'll respond to this. Xolodno Apr 4 #77

Yep claudette Apr 4 #78

Yeah, I'm sure you were supporting Israel before Mountainguy Apr 4 #81

The US supports Israel, what else is new? akbacchus_BC Apr 4 #100

I support the Israel that is currently taking to the streets trying to hold Netenyahu responsible for actions tirebiter Apr 4 #85

The indefensible cannot be defended. Israel has lost the moral high ground. It's gone elocs Apr 4 #97

I agree with you. Israel wants Gaza and netenyahu is cruel to do what hitler did to jews as akbacchus_BC Apr 4 #98

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you malaise Apr 4 #101

Then the scorpion said to the kind frog: ''I couldn't resist, it's my nature" Donkees Apr 4 #102

Correct is right malaise Apr 4 #103

Seems Nethanyahu should try to swim on his own Donkees Apr 4 #104

Enough is enough Raven123 Apr 4 #106

K&R Doc Sportello Apr 4 #108

The same people calling me "pro-Hamas" RandiFan1290 Apr 4 #109

Israel has killed tens of thousands, "mostly women and children". mwb970 Apr 4 #119

All Israelis? JustAnotherGen Apr 4 #120

It has seem to taken a turn Johnny2X2X Apr 4 #128

I actually don't think N is after revenge. I think he's after land Scrivener7 Apr 4 #130

I don't think that Johnny2X2X Apr 4 #137

Hamas has achieved its goal SARose Apr 4 #129

Israel was on the verge of Arab world countries recognizing Israel. Thanks to Bibi, that is not going to happen RAB910 Apr 4 #146

I had forgotten that SARose Apr 4 #214

+1, Hamas is meeting its goal and Bibi is helping them at every step uponit7771 Apr 6 #304

Idiot homicidal maniacs are making the world forget Oct. 7 dalton99a Apr 4 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Apr 4 #149

Post removed Post removed Apr 4 #147

This knee jerk slur really doesn't work in this situation anymore. Scrivener7 Apr 4 #150

I missed the post, but I bet I know what it said obamanut2012 Apr 4 #152

Yep. I bet you do too. Scrivener7 Apr 4 #175

Five prohibited acts atreides1 Apr 4 #153

K&R It saddens me to read denials of reality here, the deliberate and desperate attempt to deflect from the point msfiddlestix Apr 4 #156

Yea it's sad so many people are myopic one issue voters BannonsLiver Apr 4 #165

Agree completely. I have good friends who are making the ME War their political hill to die on. msfiddlestix Apr 4 #195

These 1-issue voters were just waiting for a fucking reason to hate Biden and tee-off on Jews in the process. Sick shit. SoFlaBro Apr 4 #241

100 percent true BannonsLiver Apr 5 #269

Self-governance sindri Apr 4 #157

For me it's not about defending Israel. ismnotwasm Apr 4 #158

This is not a war. This is vengeance. This is a slaughter by starvation and disease. Big Blue Marble Apr 4 #178

No, it isn't. ismnotwasm Apr 4 #187

And Israel has been killing and abusing Palestinians Big Blue Marble Apr 4 #240

And Palestinians have been killing Israelis' before Hamas, too. yagotme Apr 5 #267

Many more Palestinians have been killed radius777 Apr 5 #274

Then I guess that Israel is so much better than Palestinian terrorists yagotme Apr 5 #276

Israel is well funded by the west radius777 Apr 5 #279

Hamas is well funded/supplied by Iran. yagotme Apr 5 #281

Hamas is funded by Iran and Qatar, radius777 Apr 5 #283

Hamas doesn't want a 2-state solution, either. yagotme Apr 5 #284

Of course, that's why Bibi propped up Hamas, radius777 Apr 5 #285

Yes it is ... The Chef has more credibility than Bibi or Biden on this issue. Reality has to set in at some point uponit7771 Apr 6 #301

Yes. Please contact the White House about this. LymphocyteLover Apr 4 #160

Meh BannonsLiver Apr 4 #163

Israel has done a masterful job of of squandering both public opinion and the undisputed high ground they held. BobTheSubgenius Apr 4 #172

So nothing about the Hamas hostages? Mosby Apr 4 #176

That people are dying of starvation angrychair Apr 4 #179

Hamas is stealing most of the food aid. Mosby Apr 5 #288

A person can believe The Chef and want hostages to be freed, no one should support starving millions of people for uponit7771 Apr 6 #303

I realized it way early on when Netanyahu said that all Gaza's people were Hamas. He earlier had LiberalArkie Apr 4 #177

There will be no development on Gaza Beaches. Not without the world watching!! MenloParque Apr 4 #182

Agreed Deep State Witch Apr 4 #189

We ALL KNEW this was coming. Israel was NOT going to stop at just bombing a 'few hospitals', right? nt TeamProg Apr 4 #196

It's not a "war" it is a MASSACRE. nt TeamProg Apr 4 #200

I'm getting there. It's like Dresden in slow motion. carpetbagger Apr 4 #202

I consider Dresden a war crime by us, but it wasn't really one then obamanut2012 Apr 4 #224

And I didn't consider the opening Israeli response as such. carpetbagger Apr 4 #243

Same yankee87 Apr 4 #206

Slobodan had PLENTY of supporters as well. nt TeamProg Apr 4 #208

Some of the detailed and convoluted reasoning seen here to justify Aussie105 Apr 4 #212

Very well said obamanut2012 Apr 4 #226

Post removed Post removed Apr 4 #217

If you disagree, why not just answer? obamanut2012 Apr 4 #218

I get it agalisgv Apr 4 #222

+1, The Chef has been in more than one conflict and knows when his people are being targeted uponit7771 Apr 6 #302

same Evolve Dammit Apr 4 #233

I stopped in the 90's RANDYWILDMAN Apr 5 #278

Me too. Goddessartist Apr 6 #306