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In reply to the discussion: Vasectomy bill proposed in response to Louisiana's abortion ban [View all]Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)41. Proponents of the death penalty use the same argumentation.
There are two major problems with this line of thinking:
1 - It assumes crime is a rational process, whereby the criminal weighs the potential consequences of their actions against the potential benefits. Psychological/sociological/criminological research strongly suggests that crime is often not committed rationally.
2 - It assumes everyone who is convicted of a crime is, in fact, guilty of that crime. Again, research strongly suggests the criminal justice system routinely convicts innocents. While they may be in the minority, one has to consider whether it is ethical to kill or sterilize people knowing that while most are certainly guilty a number of innocents will also be affected.
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Where in the galloping fuck did I ever intimate that sex offenders should be tolerated?
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 21
#67
Okay, then. They can sue the government for wrongful punishment if they're actually not guilty of rape.
intheflow
Mar 21
#81
Then the few men that caught, tried and convicted as sex offender will have to have vasectomies.
intheflow
Mar 21
#50
Best post of the day. Stop rape and incest, or sterilize sex criminals and allow abortion.
marble falls
Mar 21
#52
A vasectomy doesn't have any impact on one's ability to engage in sexual assault.
brooklynite
Mar 21
#8
While I'm not a fan of this I do like the idea of vasectomies for all over the are of 13.
Hope22
Mar 21
#10
Red states like Louisiana not only want to force birth even when it KILLS the woman, they also..
Hekate
Mar 21
#11
How can they shut down travel to another state for an abortion? How would they know?
CTyankee
Mar 21
#54
Texas passed a snitch law straight away. Then there's a bunch of redneck cops in my own California
Hekate
Mar 21
#70
Demonstrating why your argument was weak was weak argumentation on my part?
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 21
#38
It is in fact a perfect analogy. I'm sorry you have not been paying attention over the past few years.
Hekate
Mar 21
#74
It won't pass, but maybe it will make some men consider what it's like to lose bodily autonomy.
Nevilledog
Mar 21
#5
The bill is only for sexual predators, and while that's a legal designation, there are a lot of men out there who
WhiskeyGrinder
Mar 21
#6
Do they ever connect that with other people losing their autonomy? or is it only for themselves?
WhiskeyGrinder
Mar 21
#14
I've seen both. "Men should be inviolate" vs. "I've done nothing wrong so it doesn't apply"
Nevilledog
Mar 21
#18
My question is, do either of those thoughts get them to "OH! I guess it's wrong if we do it to women, too, and I will
WhiskeyGrinder
Mar 21
#19
Yeah so in the end that's why I'm not a fan of these kinds of bills/sentiments.
WhiskeyGrinder
Mar 21
#21
Some people -- men-people -- have no idea just how angry we are at being tossed back 200 years
Hekate
Mar 21
#15
I just want to say that I am embarrassed by the lack of understanding and empathy shown out here.
Hope22
Mar 21
#62
By that logic, perhaps an amendment is in order. I'm thinking that if a man wants viagra,
PatrickforB
Mar 21
#42
Think long and hard before you decide to employ doctors as agents of the penal state . . .
markpkessinger
Mar 21
#76