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BumRushDaShow

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151. "Jack Smith was appointed TWENTY MONTHS after the insurrection."
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 02:55 PM
Mar 16

Let's do some education, shall we?

First - you do realize that when Joe Biden was inaugurated, the majority of the U.S. Attorneys were to submit their resignations. THEY are the people who actually do the prosecutions, NOT the AG.

The U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia (Matthew Graves) was not CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE and sworn in until November 2021. "Actings" can do some things but are restricted.

But even before that, from an article published less than a week after Biden was inaugurated -

Sedition investigations could 'bear fruit soon' in Capitol riot cases, FBI says

Author: Jordan Fischer
Published: 5:26 PM EST January 26, 2021
Updated: 5:26 PM EST January 26, 2021



WASHINGTON — The FBI has now opened more than 400 subject case files stemming from the insurrection at the Capitol on January 6, the assistant director of the Washington field office said during a briefing Tuesday. Assistant Director in Charge Steven D’Antuono provided an update to media about the Department of Justice’s ongoing efforts to identify and charge those who participated in the Capitol riot. D’Antuono said so far the case has resulted in:

  • More than 200,000 social media tips from the public.
  • 500+ grand jury subpoenas and search warrants
  • 400+ subject case files
  • 150+ federal cases and 50+ cases in D.C. Superior Court


  • D’Antuono said those cases range from misdemeanor charges all the way up to “significant federal felonies,” some of which carry a 20-year prison sentence. He also said the Department of Justice is all-hands-on-deck to pursue Capitol riot cases.

    (snip)

    He and Acting U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Michael Sherwin said the cases that have been filed so far are the simpler ones – and that the FBI is working on more complicated cases involving interstate conspiracies by militia groups. He also said to expect a “geometric increase” in cases involving assaults on officers as agents continue combing through the thousands of hours of footage recovered from the event – as well as the possibility of rare sedition charges.

    (snip)

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/fbi-says-sedition-investigations-could-bear-fruit-soon-400-case-files-opened-in-capitol-riot/65-b098491e-92c3-4ffb-98e3-3b0d8c9d0499


    And let me add an overlay that has been completely IGNORED during all of these discussions about 2020/2021/2022. I.e., what ELSE was going on during ALL of 2021 (to date)?



    Yes, a PANDEMIC. And that not only disrupted the workforce but ALSO closed many of the courts, which eventually had to move to "remote"/"closed circuit" operation.

    So this was going on in the midst of the other events.

    And I'm supposed to be impressed that Garland siezed Eastman's and Perry's phones SIXTEEN MONTHS after the insurrection?

    I noticed that you (or whoever created that list) not-so-cleverly omitted the dates on which those things occurred.

    Let's start from the top:

    The insurrection occurred on January 6, 2021.


    And you carefully left this out - President Biden was INAUGURATED January 20, 2021. Which then misses that you had leftover Jeff Sessions/Bill Barr people running the department, with Jeff Rosen as "Acting AG" until that happened.

    After that, Biden appointed DOJ civil servant Monty Wilkinson as "Acting AG" until Garland was sworn in.

    Merrick Garland wasn't confirmed until March 2021 (highlights of the February confirmation hearings are here), where J6 was foremost in the hearings. And as noted above, the U.S. Attorney for D.C. wasn't brought in until November 2021.

    Eastman's phone was seized in June 2022. And you're impressed with that?

    The insurrection occurred on January 6, 2021. Perry's phone was seized in August 2022 . And you're impressed with that?

    Mike Lindell had nothing to do with the insurrection.


    What entity knew what Eastman's role was on January 6 other than ranting and raving at a (First Amendment protected) rally?

    Lindell's role happened BEFORE January 6 pushing CT theories just after the election in November 2020.

    He, Ghouliani, and the Kraken lawyers Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell were on a conspiracy tour to multiple locations (including here in PA in Gettysburg near the end of November 2020). In some cases, they were actually addressing members of GOP-controlled state legislatures (including some here in PA who sponsored that bullshit Gettysburg super-spreader event).

    The insurrection occurred on January 6, 2021. Kash Patel testified in October 2022. . And you're impressed with that?

    I could continue down the list but it's pretty telling, don't you think, that dates are not included?


    You obviously missed the fact that there were multiple layers of things that went on BEFORE January 6, and that continued after it.

    The scope of what was eventually realized to be a large "conspiracy" of seemingly unconnected events that had to be unraveled, and tied together. I.e.,

    1.) Eastman was eventually found to have spearheaded the "fake electors" plots. Since ELECTIONS ARE HANDLED BY THE STATES, the "fake electors" were the responsibility OF THE STATES. There were 7 states that participated in this. Meanwhile NARA (yes THAT NARA) would have received copies of those "fake certifications" and probably did a WTF? because it was unprecedented and they set that mess aside.

    2.) You also had a layer within Congress who had planned to object to the results of those 7 states (and ultimately considered objecting to 4, but due to the trashing of the Capitol, eventually settled on 2). The point being to cause confusion and doubt and try to send the decision back to the state legislatures to decide

    3.) In the waning days of 45's administration, you had Jeff Clark being pushed to take over after Barr left, with the intent to do this by firing Jeff Rosen (who was Acting at the end of December 2020), and installing Clark. That move resulted in the threats of a whole layer of appointees resigning - but again, this was BEFORE Biden was inaugurated. The point of Clark was to use him to CO-OPT DOJ to support the contention that "the election was stolen" and add weight to the nonsense to convince Congress to "send the decision back to the states to decide the outcome".

    Along with other Plan Bs and Cs, that were happening with some states going through multiple recounts (AZ & GA), you essentially had a convoluted mess of both federal AND state election interference.

    All of this was completely unprecedented and it is fantasy to expect that anyone could have come up with any of these plots right away. THAT is something that NO ONE could have ever figured out instantly.

    Nobody has said that Garland has done nothing.


    Half the responses in this thread HAVE said he did "nothing".

    What's incompetent (and perhaps even corrupt) is that he did most everything TOO LATE. And then, to top it all off, he appointed the hack Robert Hur, whom he MUST have known would deliver a political smear.


    Why would he know that Hur would be a "hack"? WE might assume that he, like Weiss and Durham (remember him of the "investigating-the-Russia probe" fame who managed to have several of his cases end up in acquittals? ), were RW loons, but in the real "governing world", that is something that unfortunately can't be considered criteria.
    Excellent post, bigtree. Thank you! brer cat Mar 15 #1
    Nailed it as always malaise Mar 15 #2
    If you're happy with our side scrambling for trial dates in 2024 while a second Trump term remains distinctly possible BeyondGeography Mar 15 #3
    I only see a lot of sandbaggers on MOMFUDSKI Mar 15 #4
    Thank you. Elessar Zappa Mar 15 #5
    Bragg clearly blamed BOTH... getagrip_already Mar 15 #6
    What you see as an apologist, others see as defending not a man, but reality. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 15 #8
    What was it kelly conway said about reality? getagrip_already Mar 15 #9
    That's just the thing, there are no alternative facts in this situation Fiendish Thingy Mar 15 #17
    Garland was clueless, which IS the problem getagrip_already Mar 15 #19
    "Clueless" is your opinion. Fiendish Thingy Mar 15 #20
    But none are as easy! BootinUp Mar 15 #22
    A tangled web, indeed. Ocelot II Mar 15 #43
    IMO Garland has been a poor AG, didn't rise to the moment of the most severe threatl... brush Mar 15 #78
    Laurence Tribe now calls Garland "Mr. Speedy" BeyondGeography Mar 15 #79
    Laurence Tribe is correct. It's funny yet maddening sarcasm as... brush Mar 15 #85
    Sarcasm, no? (no text) returnee Mar 15 #97
    And yet Laurence Tribe isn't always right NanaCat Mar 15 #103
    That is a false statement Fiendish Thingy Mar 15 #94
    Late in appointing SC Smith even. Should've done it a year earlier. brush Mar 15 #101
    You clearly don't understand what justifies appointing a Special Counsel Fiendish Thingy Mar 15 #109
    We've all got opinions. No way I agree with yours. brush Mar 15 #112
    "Just two days after trump declared his candidacy" is a red herring Goodheart Mar 16 #142
    Why should a Special Counsel have been appointed sooner? Fiendish Thingy Mar 16 #144
    Looks like verifiable as opinions. PufPuf23 Mar 15 #107
    Note: the link contains a list of verifiable facts and dates. Fiendish Thingy Mar 15 #110
    Did not read article, just humored by link title. PufPuf23 Mar 15 #115
    Well said and thanks for that post. emulatorloo Mar 15 #90
    Nah, yr just blaming anybody and everyone EXCEPT Trump and his legal team. emulatorloo Mar 15 #89
    An incontrovertible inconvenient fact: Bobstandard Mar 15 #10
    Andrew Weissmann worked for SDNY gab13by13 Mar 15 #13
    I saw that interview... getagrip_already Mar 15 #18
    The internet/social media creates an insatiable, impatient hunger for quick and simple solutions Fiendish Thingy Mar 15 #7
    You nailed it. ShazzieB Mar 15 #44
    Where I get my news I see zero people calling for Garland to resign. gab13by13 Mar 15 #11
    Agreed. ShazzieB Mar 15 #56
    Garland has been an unmitigated disaster. Voltaire2 Mar 15 #12
    you know the people in that song Trump plays before his rallies? The 'Jan. 6 Singers?' bigtree Mar 15 #32
    Well put. The OP is distractive from the REAL issue with Garland Goodheart Mar 15 #116
    The internet needs solutions and scapegoats and it needs them NOW. Ocelot II Mar 15 #14
    I respect your opinions and always click on your posts gab13by13 Mar 15 #24
    I don't think calling for his head is helpful at this point. Ocelot II Mar 15 #30
    I could not agree more, gab13by13 Mar 15 #34
    Because if he resigned the trolls wouldn't be able to call for his head on a daily basis AZSkiffyGeek Mar 15 #104
    The frustration by some is not so much NOW but long it has been and PufPuf23 Mar 15 #118
    Let's just say I'd much prefer a new Attorney General... dchill Mar 15 #15
    And Glenn Kirschner is just the man for the job. Ligyron Mar 15 #60
    Hindsight is 20/20. nt hay rick Mar 15 #16
    Hang in there, bigtree Hekate Mar 15 #21
    I agree, bigtree. Joe, unlike his predecessor, really DOES pick the best people! 70sEraVet Mar 15 #23
    100% I disagreed with his choice of Hur and I think that is allowed but I have never been Bev54 Mar 15 #25
    Do you honestly believe in your heart gab13by13 Mar 15 #36
    I don't agree with everything Garland has done and in particular the Hur appointment and the lack of cleanout of Bev54 Mar 15 #75
    . Scrivener7 Mar 15 #26
    .. bigtree Mar 15 #35
    I remember the days of the torches and pitchforks that came out for Eric Holder BumRushDaShow Mar 15 #27
    Preet Bhrarara, gab13by13 Mar 15 #40
    I watched Andrew Weissmann last night too BumRushDaShow Mar 15 #53
    Is Garland allowed to choose his team or is he forced to deal with corrupt trump leftovers? ecstatic Mar 15 #102
    There are a certain lower layer of positions that the Department (and agency head) can "choose" BumRushDaShow Mar 15 #113
    Thank for setting it straight. Excellent post. Martin68 Mar 15 #28
    Firing Garland at this time would be a bad idea. But only because it's just too late. His duty is already done. jaxexpat Mar 15 #29
    Politics is a nasty, dirty business Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 15 #31
    Yup. Agree. My only question is why Garland Joinfortmill Mar 15 #33
    Your question actually points to a larger question . . . markpkessinger Mar 15 #67
    The idea that you have condemnation for moniss Mar 15 #37
    I admit blaming Bragg for sabatoging his own prosecution of Trump didn't occur to me bigtree Mar 15 #41
    It certainly looks to me like President Biden is upset with Merrick Garland gab13by13 Mar 15 #45
    Unless you're having WH luncheons with Joe, your perception is based on one anonymously sourced article. Fiendish Thingy Mar 15 #65
    You can put that right in line with the fact that moniss Mar 15 #62
    Wow, very interesting analysis. gab13by13 Mar 15 #42
    Yes and even Vance moniss Mar 15 #69
    I don't think Garland should resign, BUT . . . markpkessinger Mar 15 #38
    I'm old enough to remember when the complaints were that he didn't need a SC bigtree Mar 15 #47
    I think you're reacting rather strongly... Think. Again. Mar 15 #39
    ask the questions and bring your receipts bigtree Mar 15 #48
    But I have no questions for you. Think. Again. Mar 15 #58
    This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Mar 15 #66
    That's funny because your post ends in a question mark AZSkiffyGeek Mar 15 #128
    Oh, you mean this rhetorical question... Think. Again. Mar 16 #138
    I'm just commenting on the fact you asked a question AZSkiffyGeek Mar 16 #146
    Such fun! now look up "Rhetorical Question"! Think. Again. Mar 16 #149
    Garland has limited influence over the SDNY Cosmocat Mar 15 #46
    Merrick Garland is SDNY's boss. gab13by13 Mar 15 #57
    But the 93 U.S. Attorneys are NOT the AG's appointees BumRushDaShow Mar 15 #61
    He still runs the show... Think. Again. Mar 15 #70
    "He still runs the show..." BumRushDaShow Mar 15 #72
    I'm pretty sure... Think. Again. Mar 15 #73
    "that any work the DOJ is doing that directly involves an ex-President will find it's way onto garland's update memos" BumRushDaShow Mar 15 #74
    I MUST disagree... Think. Again. Mar 15 #77
    To respond BumRushDaShow Mar 15 #83
    Yeah, people here on DU sometimes seem very happy.... Think. Again. Mar 15 #84
    "I suspect the prosecution of a Presidential candidate might be high on the AG's concern list." BumRushDaShow Mar 15 #86
    "Justice delayed is justice denied." Think. Again. Mar 15 #87
    That has been the call from those who want Criminal Justice Reform BumRushDaShow Mar 15 #91
    See? We can agree!!! Think. Again. Mar 15 #92
    But it has nothing to do with Garland. BumRushDaShow Mar 15 #93
    That's true, we don't agree on garland.... Think. Again. Mar 15 #95
    "Criminal Justice" is not just "federal" BumRushDaShow Mar 15 #96
    If you're saying garland is just a figurehead... Think. Again. Mar 15 #98
    Again BumRushDaShow Mar 15 #99
    Okay, well thanks, I don't really get what you're trying to say, but I appreciate the discussion. Think. Again. Mar 15 #105
    The OP would have you believe, apparently, that these SDNY documents are the only cause that has provoked anger, Goodheart Mar 15 #119
    Public pressure can be tough. lees1975 Mar 15 #49
    You are spreading falsehoods Fiendish Thingy Mar 15 #64
    Sorry, but he admitted to delays himself. lees1975 Mar 15 #106
    no receipts, so it didn't happen bigtree Mar 15 #121
    Attorney General Merrick Garland deliberated for weeks over whether to approve the application for a warrant to search f republianmushroom Mar 15 #124
    Maybe you mean this one. republianmushroom Mar 15 #126
    See my reply to big tree below your post. republianmushroom Mar 15 #125
    A year? Closer to two years... twenty months, in fact. Goodheart Mar 16 #141
    Detailed Chronology in Trump-Cohen Hush Money Investigation SARose Mar 15 #50
    consult the master computer on 1/6 AllaN01Bear Mar 15 #51
    There's a lot of people right now that I am pissed at here. William769 Mar 15 #52
    Recommended. H2O Man Mar 15 #54
    ...... 58Sunliner Mar 15 #55
    a little bit plagiarism here, but, republianmushroom Mar 15 #59
    Will be thrilled to see him resign, or be fired. boston bean Mar 15 #63
    Right!! lamp_shade Mar 15 #68
    How many times did Jordan and Comer threaten Bragg? SARose Mar 15 #71
    I don't care how the other side receives me, or either side for that matter. It's past time for Garland to go. Autumn Mar 15 #76
    This obsession displayed by some with Garland is truly disturbing, it does not seem at all healthy. tritsofme Mar 15 #80
    Garland has always been at a disadvantage... allegorical oracle Mar 15 #81
    You can't get rid of Garland before the election, but we absolutely should after the election. Demsrule86 Mar 15 #82
    The idea that Garland would want to stick around for 8 years in the first place is pretty silly. tritsofme Mar 15 #88
    I understand your point. Fully. But the problem is he put our country in jeopardy ecstatic Mar 15 #100
    it's just untrue that he waited for anything bigtree Mar 15 #108
    Wow, talk about a strawman Goodheart Mar 15 #120
    Donald Trump's first criminal trial delayed SARose Mar 15 #111
    The one FACT you continue to la la la gloss over Goodheart Mar 15 #114
    A few dates, upon which to adequately assess Garland's performance Goodheart Mar 15 #117
    Cherry-picking only the dates that support one's assertion... TwilightZone Mar 15 #123
    I picked the dates that matter. Goodheart Mar 15 #127
    Nah, it's called ignoring whatever doesn't fit the narrative. TwilightZone Mar 16 #136
    You're quite wrong, of course. Goodheart Mar 16 #140
    Did you see this list upthread BumRushDaShow Mar 16 #145
    Jack Smith was appointed TWENTY MONTHS after the insurrection. Goodheart Mar 16 #147
    "Jack Smith was appointed TWENTY MONTHS after the insurrection." BumRushDaShow Mar 16 #151
    Some of the ignorance is intentional. TwilightZone Mar 15 #122
    Looks to me like much projection. nt PufPuf23 Mar 15 #129
    Nope. TwilightZone Mar 15 #130
    Garland should have started prosecutions of tRump 15 minutes after being appointed to the office. rwild1967 Mar 15 #131
    Correct. Goodheart Mar 15 #132
    he's sworn in in March 2021 and by Fall of 2021 he's already investigating bigtree Mar 15 #134
    The proof is in the pudding. Here's the pudding: Goodheart Mar 16 #148
    Kick canetoad Mar 15 #133
    Sorry but your wrong thumper2547 Mar 16 #135
    Welcome to DU! KS Toronado Mar 16 #137
    The apologists will come along to declare you a troll, Goodheart Mar 16 #139
    Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Mar 16 #150
    Great post! Emile Mar 17 #154
    K&R Emile Mar 17 #155
    Biden shouldn't accept a resignation now Captain Zero Mar 16 #143
    Ali Primera once crooned... GreenWave Mar 16 #152
    Trump tried to overthrow our government and Emile Mar 17 #153
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