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In reply to the discussion: I'm going to say it, and you can place yourself where you want on this [View all]BumRushDaShow
(129,946 posts)151. "Jack Smith was appointed TWENTY MONTHS after the insurrection."
Let's do some education, shall we?
First - you do realize that when Joe Biden was inaugurated, the majority of the U.S. Attorneys were to submit their resignations. THEY are the people who actually do the prosecutions, NOT the AG.
The U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia (Matthew Graves) was not CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE and sworn in until November 2021. "Actings" can do some things but are restricted.
But even before that, from an article published less than a week after Biden was inaugurated -
Sedition investigations could 'bear fruit soon' in Capitol riot cases, FBI says
Author: Jordan Fischer
Published: 5:26 PM EST January 26, 2021
Updated: 5:26 PM EST January 26, 2021
WASHINGTON The FBI has now opened more than 400 subject case files stemming from the insurrection at the Capitol on January 6, the assistant director of the Washington field office said during a briefing Tuesday. Assistant Director in Charge Steven DAntuono provided an update to media about the Department of Justices ongoing efforts to identify and charge those who participated in the Capitol riot. DAntuono said so far the case has resulted in:
DAntuono said those cases range from misdemeanor charges all the way up to significant federal felonies, some of which carry a 20-year prison sentence. He also said the Department of Justice is all-hands-on-deck to pursue Capitol riot cases.
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He and Acting U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Michael Sherwin said the cases that have been filed so far are the simpler ones and that the FBI is working on more complicated cases involving interstate conspiracies by militia groups. He also said to expect a geometric increase in cases involving assaults on officers as agents continue combing through the thousands of hours of footage recovered from the event as well as the possibility of rare sedition charges.
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https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/fbi-says-sedition-investigations-could-bear-fruit-soon-400-case-files-opened-in-capitol-riot/65-b098491e-92c3-4ffb-98e3-3b0d8c9d0499
Author: Jordan Fischer
Published: 5:26 PM EST January 26, 2021
Updated: 5:26 PM EST January 26, 2021
WASHINGTON The FBI has now opened more than 400 subject case files stemming from the insurrection at the Capitol on January 6, the assistant director of the Washington field office said during a briefing Tuesday. Assistant Director in Charge Steven DAntuono provided an update to media about the Department of Justices ongoing efforts to identify and charge those who participated in the Capitol riot. DAntuono said so far the case has resulted in:
More than 200,000 social media tips from the public. 500+ grand jury subpoenas and search warrants 400+ subject case files 150+ federal cases and 50+ cases in D.C. Superior Court
DAntuono said those cases range from misdemeanor charges all the way up to significant federal felonies, some of which carry a 20-year prison sentence. He also said the Department of Justice is all-hands-on-deck to pursue Capitol riot cases.
(snip)
He and Acting U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Michael Sherwin said the cases that have been filed so far are the simpler ones and that the FBI is working on more complicated cases involving interstate conspiracies by militia groups. He also said to expect a geometric increase in cases involving assaults on officers as agents continue combing through the thousands of hours of footage recovered from the event as well as the possibility of rare sedition charges.
(snip)
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/fbi-says-sedition-investigations-could-bear-fruit-soon-400-case-files-opened-in-capitol-riot/65-b098491e-92c3-4ffb-98e3-3b0d8c9d0499
And let me add an overlay that has been completely IGNORED during all of these discussions about 2020/2021/2022. I.e., what ELSE was going on during ALL of 2021 (to date)?
Yes, a PANDEMIC. And that not only disrupted the workforce but ALSO closed many of the courts, which eventually had to move to "remote"/"closed circuit" operation.
So this was going on in the midst of the other events.
And I'm supposed to be impressed that Garland siezed Eastman's and Perry's phones SIXTEEN MONTHS after the insurrection?
I noticed that you (or whoever created that list) not-so-cleverly omitted the dates on which those things occurred.
Let's start from the top:
The insurrection occurred on January 6, 2021.
I noticed that you (or whoever created that list) not-so-cleverly omitted the dates on which those things occurred.
Let's start from the top:
The insurrection occurred on January 6, 2021.
And you carefully left this out - President Biden was INAUGURATED January 20, 2021. Which then misses that you had leftover Jeff Sessions/Bill Barr people running the department, with Jeff Rosen as "Acting AG" until that happened.
After that, Biden appointed DOJ civil servant Monty Wilkinson as "Acting AG" until Garland was sworn in.
Merrick Garland wasn't confirmed until March 2021 (highlights of the February confirmation hearings are here), where J6 was foremost in the hearings. And as noted above, the U.S. Attorney for D.C. wasn't brought in until November 2021.
Eastman's phone was seized in June 2022. And you're impressed with that?
The insurrection occurred on January 6, 2021. Perry's phone was seized in August 2022 . And you're impressed with that?
Mike Lindell had nothing to do with the insurrection.
The insurrection occurred on January 6, 2021. Perry's phone was seized in August 2022 . And you're impressed with that?
Mike Lindell had nothing to do with the insurrection.
What entity knew what Eastman's role was on January 6 other than ranting and raving at a (First Amendment protected) rally?
Lindell's role happened BEFORE January 6 pushing CT theories just after the election in November 2020.
He, Ghouliani, and the Kraken lawyers Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell were on a conspiracy tour to multiple locations (including here in PA in Gettysburg near the end of November 2020). In some cases, they were actually addressing members of GOP-controlled state legislatures (including some here in PA who sponsored that bullshit Gettysburg super-spreader event).
The insurrection occurred on January 6, 2021. Kash Patel testified in October 2022. . And you're impressed with that?
I could continue down the list but it's pretty telling, don't you think, that dates are not included?
I could continue down the list but it's pretty telling, don't you think, that dates are not included?
You obviously missed the fact that there were multiple layers of things that went on BEFORE January 6, and that continued after it.
The scope of what was eventually realized to be a large "conspiracy" of seemingly unconnected events that had to be unraveled, and tied together. I.e.,
1.) Eastman was eventually found to have spearheaded the "fake electors" plots. Since ELECTIONS ARE HANDLED BY THE STATES, the "fake electors" were the responsibility OF THE STATES. There were 7 states that participated in this. Meanwhile NARA (yes THAT NARA) would have received copies of those "fake certifications" and probably did a WTF? because it was unprecedented and they set that mess aside.
2.) You also had a layer within Congress who had planned to object to the results of those 7 states (and ultimately considered objecting to 4, but due to the trashing of the Capitol, eventually settled on 2). The point being to cause confusion and doubt and try to send the decision back to the state legislatures to decide
3.) In the waning days of 45's administration, you had Jeff Clark being pushed to take over after Barr left, with the intent to do this by firing Jeff Rosen (who was Acting at the end of December 2020), and installing Clark. That move resulted in the threats of a whole layer of appointees resigning - but again, this was BEFORE Biden was inaugurated. The point of Clark was to use him to CO-OPT DOJ to support the contention that "the election was stolen" and add weight to the nonsense to convince Congress to "send the decision back to the states to decide the outcome".
Along with other Plan Bs and Cs, that were happening with some states going through multiple recounts (AZ & GA), you essentially had a convoluted mess of both federal AND state election interference.
All of this was completely unprecedented and it is fantasy to expect that anyone could have come up with any of these plots right away. THAT is something that NO ONE could have ever figured out instantly.
Nobody has said that Garland has done nothing.
Half the responses in this thread HAVE said he did "nothing".
What's incompetent (and perhaps even corrupt) is that he did most everything TOO LATE. And then, to top it all off, he appointed the hack Robert Hur, whom he MUST have known would deliver a political smear.
Why would he know that Hur would be a "hack"? WE might assume that he, like Weiss and Durham (remember him of the "investigating-the-Russia probe" fame who managed to have several of his cases end up in acquittals? ), were RW loons, but in the real "governing world", that is something that unfortunately can't be considered criteria.
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If you're happy with our side scrambling for trial dates in 2024 while a second Trump term remains distinctly possible
BeyondGeography
Mar 15
#3
What you see as an apologist, others see as defending not a man, but reality. Nt
Fiendish Thingy
Mar 15
#8
IMO Garland has been a poor AG, didn't rise to the moment of the most severe threatl...
brush
Mar 15
#78
You clearly don't understand what justifies appointing a Special Counsel
Fiendish Thingy
Mar 15
#109
The internet/social media creates an insatiable, impatient hunger for quick and simple solutions
Fiendish Thingy
Mar 15
#7
you know the people in that song Trump plays before his rallies? The 'Jan. 6 Singers?'
bigtree
Mar 15
#32
Because if he resigned the trolls wouldn't be able to call for his head on a daily basis
AZSkiffyGeek
Mar 15
#104
I agree, bigtree. Joe, unlike his predecessor, really DOES pick the best people!
70sEraVet
Mar 15
#23
100% I disagreed with his choice of Hur and I think that is allowed but I have never been
Bev54
Mar 15
#25
I don't agree with everything Garland has done and in particular the Hur appointment and the lack of cleanout of
Bev54
Mar 15
#75
I remember the days of the torches and pitchforks that came out for Eric Holder
BumRushDaShow
Mar 15
#27
Is Garland allowed to choose his team or is he forced to deal with corrupt trump leftovers?
ecstatic
Mar 15
#102
There are a certain lower layer of positions that the Department (and agency head) can "choose"
BumRushDaShow
Mar 15
#113
Firing Garland at this time would be a bad idea. But only because it's just too late. His duty is already done.
jaxexpat
Mar 15
#29
I admit blaming Bragg for sabatoging his own prosecution of Trump didn't occur to me
bigtree
Mar 15
#41
Unless you're having WH luncheons with Joe, your perception is based on one anonymously sourced article.
Fiendish Thingy
Mar 15
#65
"that any work the DOJ is doing that directly involves an ex-President will find it's way onto garland's update memos"
BumRushDaShow
Mar 15
#74
"I suspect the prosecution of a Presidential candidate might be high on the AG's concern list."
BumRushDaShow
Mar 15
#86
Okay, well thanks, I don't really get what you're trying to say, but I appreciate the discussion.
Think. Again.
Mar 15
#105
The OP would have you believe, apparently, that these SDNY documents are the only cause that has provoked anger,
Goodheart
Mar 15
#119
Attorney General Merrick Garland deliberated for weeks over whether to approve the application for a warrant to search f
republianmushroom
Mar 15
#124
I don't care how the other side receives me, or either side for that matter. It's past time for Garland to go.
Autumn
Mar 15
#76
This obsession displayed by some with Garland is truly disturbing, it does not seem at all healthy.
tritsofme
Mar 15
#80
You can't get rid of Garland before the election, but we absolutely should after the election.
Demsrule86
Mar 15
#82
The idea that Garland would want to stick around for 8 years in the first place is pretty silly.
tritsofme
Mar 15
#88
I understand your point. Fully. But the problem is he put our country in jeopardy
ecstatic
Mar 15
#100