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Ocelot II

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28. It isn't a loan. It's insurance. Doesn't anybody understand how this works?
Sat Mar 9, 2024, 01:14 PM
Mar 9

The purpose of an appeal bond is to protect the winning party in a lawsuit if the losing party appeals. The bond allows the money to be paid out automatically if the appeal fails, and the court rule exists so the losing party is deterred from appealing just to delay having to pay the judgment. If TFG hadn't obtained the bond Carroll could have executed on the judgment immediately, but this isn't as easy as it sounds. It would be expensive, slow and difficult, and TFG would throw everything he had at avoiding or at least delaying paying, including hiding or transferring assets. An appeal bond makes all that unnecessary and she is assured of being paid the full amount.

During the appeal process (while post-judgment interest continues to accrue) the insurer isn't out any money, while the appealing party, in order for the insurer to write the bond, has had to either pay a stiff cash premium or collateralize assets in the amount of the judgment. Insurance companies aren't in business to lose money, as anyone who has ever dealt with one must know. They would have evaluated the risk of loss, which in this case is considerable, and priced the bond accordingly. They won't lose money no matter what happens, because the way all insurance works is by pooling risks. If there is a loss in this case it will be offset by premiums from the other cases where the insurer didn't have to pay out.

I don't understand why everybody has their undies in a bunch about this. Specialty insurers like this Chubb Group subsidiary are in the business of selling appeal bonds, and insuring large verdicts like this isn't unusual at all, especially in commercial litigation where most civil appeals occur. This is normal, people, even if the appellant isn't.

Also, the money isn't coming from Russia.

I'm not voting but it's their money. If they are dumb jimfields33 Mar 9 #1
Is it their money, or do they have a fiduciary obligation to their shareholders? maxrandb Mar 9 #6
Who ever heard of WHAT place? brooklynite Mar 9 #8
I have USAA. Yours must be regional. jimfields33 Mar 9 #13
Hardly regional MichMan Mar 9 #14
Evan Greenberg is son of late AIG chair Maurice "Mo" Greenberg. Kid Berwyn Mar 9 #22
The poster I replied to had never heard of them, and suggested they were a small regional outfit MichMan Mar 9 #24
Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you or the issue. Kid Berwyn Mar 9 #36
I'm not confused MichMan Mar 9 #38
That's why I posted the father-son nepotistic side of big money. Kid Berwyn Mar 9 #42
Thanks for connecting the dots MichMan Mar 9 #43
No, niche. brooklynite Mar 9 #23
Then if you make a claim you'll be getting money from Russia! Ocelot II Mar 9 #32
Chubb is a frequent underwriter of a lot of PBS shows. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 9 #18
So are the Koch brothers maxrandb Mar 9 #20
My point is that they're well known, not that they're angels. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 9 #21
Considering the CEO was a TRump WH advisor Historic NY Mar 9 #2
If it's morally wrong, you shouldn't do it. Squaredeal Mar 9 #3
They've been in the business for a long time. cloudbase Mar 9 #4
Depends on the interest rate and collateral. Insurance companies are very (very) good at pricing "risk" CincyDem Mar 9 #5
What's to stop them from just forgiving the loan? maxrandb Mar 9 #9
One word: Shareholders NanaCat Mar 9 #12
IMHO, nothing. But that's a separate business decision CincyDem Mar 9 #16
IMO he was already repaid with very valuable information. onecaliberal Mar 9 #26
It's not a loan. It's insurance. Ocelot II Mar 9 #31
Again, it's not a loan, it's insurance. Ocelot II Mar 9 #34
I doubt the cost of getting the surety is anywhere near 15%. onenote Mar 9 #27
Fool.. money... parted... Yada... Yada. n/t Hugin Mar 9 #7
Passing ProfessorGAC Mar 9 #10
Should we call him Chubby? NameAlreadyTaken Mar 9 #11
Assuming trump loses his appeal, it will be fun watching either the government or Chubb going after trump's assets. Silent Type Mar 9 #15
They'll lose their money just as Mike Lindell has lost his money in service to the wannabe dictator. Vinca Mar 9 #17
No, they won't. They wouldn't have written the bond if they thought they would. Ocelot II Mar 9 #29
Chubb probably has a very heavy collateral contract. keithbvadu2 Mar 9 #19
Not voting, but it is virtually certain that Chubb will not lose money on this surety. onenote Mar 9 #25
These threads are driving me nuts - some people still seem to think an appeal bond is a bad thing - Ocelot II Mar 9 #37
It isn't a loan. It's insurance. Doesn't anybody understand how this works? Ocelot II Mar 9 #28
Can't confuse people with logic when it disputes their agenda MichMan Mar 9 #33
"Doesn't anybody understand how this works?" Zeitghost Mar 9 #41
Yeah, but Diraven Mar 9 #44
A fool and it's money are soon parted RainCaster Mar 9 #30
It's out of his hands once the bond is issued. Carroll gets her money Ocelot II Mar 9 #35
Moreover, if, heaven forbid, Trump prevailed in his appeal, Chubb gets to keep the premiums it received and Trump onenote Mar 9 #39
If he thinks Dump will pay him back, he's an idiot sakabatou Mar 9 #40
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