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Jedi Guy

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38. Because the sad truth is that "civilization" is a very thin veneer over human nature.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 06:48 PM
Mar 6

And human nature contains things like greed, selfishness, cruelty, hate, and all the other ills that are always with us to some extent. When civilization is in decent shape, those things are to a large degree suppressed, but when it isn't those ills bloom like poisonous flowers. This is true even when civilization is, by most metrics, in good shape but is perceived to be in bad shape.

Civilization in 1930s Germany was, by pretty much any objective metric, in rough shape. Hitler was clever enough to see this and he took advantage of it, with horrific results. Civilization in 2020s America is by no means in the same kind of shape, but Trump is still identifying and weaponizing the fears of his base, with the connivance of Fox News blowing everything way out of proportion.

That thin veneer of civilization is always just a few rubs of the thumb away from coming off, and the Hitlers and the Trumps of the world are very good at doing so. They speak to people's worst impulses, assure them that they're right to be afraid and it's okay to be angry and hateful towards the people who are responsible for that fear, and then they offer simple solutions to complex problems.

People like Trump have always been with us and, sadly, probably always will be.

I'm so glad I left and my trip back in April will be my last until after the election. róisín_dubh Mar 6 #1
The RW Christians bought the Republican Party get the red out Mar 6 #35
The Abrahamic religions are especially anti-women. LastDemocratInSC Mar 6 #37
To me it boils down to hatred and fear of women. With the RW in power, they are not shamed for it but proud. efhmc Mar 6 #2
Germany was in tough shape after WWI, which they had lost badly. Ocelot II Mar 6 #3
Interesting how quickly so many in a country in bad shape, and Cyrano Mar 6 #5
It does seem that way. Ocelot II Mar 6 #11
The country doesn't have to be in bad shape as long as enough people believe that it is. Biophilic Mar 6 #28
Define civilized lindysalsagal Mar 6 #4
Carl Sagan believed that humanity is currently in its adolescence. Cyrano Mar 6 #9
The best of us may be young adults, cynical_idealist Mar 6 #25
The veneer of civilization Alice Kramden Mar 6 #30
By allowing propaganda outlets to pose as legitimate news organizations. Funtatlaguy Mar 6 #6
It watches Fox news for 30 years. Turbineguy Mar 6 #7
Don't forget Rush Limbaugh's vile contribution. Paladin Mar 6 #34
This! is the real problem: right wing media outlets. jrthin Mar 6 #36
If their ideas are so good Turbineguy Mar 8 #39
They lie so much BECAUSE their ideas are no good. nt jrthin Mar 8 #40
As a PoliSci undergrad I always knew and questioned this.. cilla4progress Mar 6 #8
Fox 'news' mzmolly Mar 6 #10
Fox "news" wouldn't exist if it' didn't have a receptive audience. Cyrano Mar 6 #13
you are 100% correct. Not that you needed me to say it. NT Tickle Mar 6 #16
The fact that they masquerade as news mzmolly Mar 6 #17
Just a tiny percentage of adults watch Fox News Kaleva Mar 6 #22
I'd be interested in your source. mzmolly Mar 6 #24
I stopped going to my gym Mossfern Mar 6 #31
my planet fitness here in deep red east texas prodigitalson Mar 6 #33
Right? We have more information at our fingertips than ever before and yet 40% of the country are wet brains.nt GuppyGal Mar 6 #12
Too bad there's no vaccination for it. Do you think they'd take it? Cyrano Mar 6 #14
People look for info that reinforces their world view Kaleva Mar 6 #21
By never having been civilized in the first place. Act_of_Reparation Mar 6 #15
No civilized country area51 Mar 6 #18
Bring educated, you should know humans aren't rational creatures. Kaleva Mar 6 #19
40 years of Reaganomics pfitz59 Mar 6 #20
"Keep your passport up to date" ? GenThePerservering Mar 6 #23
Shitty public school systems decimated by NCLB. maveric Mar 6 #26
We had help. Russian help. Yes it was there, they exploited it. n/t TygrBright Mar 6 #27
There's this book I am reading, for the third time... Dan Mar 6 #29
yeah I always wondered how Nazi Germany happened too prodigitalson Mar 6 #32
Because the sad truth is that "civilization" is a very thin veneer over human nature. Jedi Guy Mar 6 #38
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