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Sympthsical

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44. It'd be like if Bryan Singer were arrested tomorrow
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:20 PM
Feb 25

It's been known for going on twenty years he's an ephebophile who invited underaged boys to parties, allegedly plied them with drugs and raped them, and that he has a whole cadre of individual Hollywood figures floating around in that orbit. But he's been more or less dumped from Hollywood - for his drug use affecting projects rather than, you know, the raping thing.

Everyone knows. If there was a documentary about it tomorrow, it might get some slight media commentary for about a week, but there's almost nothing anyone could say about it that would have people going, "Bryan Singer did what?! This is very shocking!" Barbara Walters told Corey Feldman to STFU, and she went to the grave an icon.

Playboy is similar. The story's been culturally digested over time. And it's less culturally relevant, because Playboy stopped being a thing in the zeitgeist before Millennials even arrived. I'm in my 40s, and Playboy just wasn't a thing in my peer group. Mainly because the Internet showed up.

It doesn't make what happened to those women any less horrible or traumatic or reprehensible. They will be living with it for the rest of their lives. But you're asking why modern media culture, and by extension social media, aren't giving it weight and attention. And those are the answers.

1. Playboy means nothing to people 45 and under, so most of them are not particularly interested in discussing it.
2. Everyone already knew or at least strongly suspected all this.
3. Hefner's dead. No one's going to be dragging him out for a crazy as shit interview like R. Kelly.

The most enduring image of Hefner and Playboy to my generation is that gross old man who lived in a mansion full of dog shit while women pretended to be into him for money and exposure and who - to absolutely no one's surprise, at all - felt exploited by it.

It's a known story. Even if people never heard all the exact details. The only thing left, if such a thing is possible, is for the women affected to get justice and/or find peace and healing. If there are people to arrest, arrest them.

I think if Hefner were alive and criminal proceedings could be pursued against him, it'd be a bigger story and elicit more commentary.

Kelly was THE whipping boy for this issue. Media attention to his case was excessive. live love laugh Feb 23 #1
Definitely. And I'm wondering of the silence is because, as with Epstein, everything was filmed Scrivener7 Feb 23 #2
If indeed people in high places want the story to die and it indeed dies live love laugh Feb 23 #5
I think most of male Hollywood XanaDUer2 Feb 23 #3
AND politicians, AND high placed media executives, AND industry leaders.... Scrivener7 Feb 23 #4
It's not handled the way that Cosby, Weinstein or R. Kelly was ScratchCat Feb 23 #6
I suppose that is the reasonable answer. That Playboy was about selling sex and Scrivener7 Feb 23 #7
She even had a bodyguard XanaDUer2 Feb 23 #9
I didn't see the series, but if Saudi Arabia and UAE are involved, there's one answer. yardwork Feb 25 #38
I didn't watch it because I'm tired of being bummed out by TV. maxsolomon Feb 23 #8
because its old news and nobody cares about playboy anymore? didnt know its still around...is it? nt msongs Feb 23 #10
Most of the Cosby story was old news, too, by the time it came out. Yet it was still a big story. Scrivener7 Feb 23 #11
Hugh Hefner didn't play the lovable father on TV. tinrobot Feb 25 #37
This series explores constant XanaDUer2 Feb 23 #12
Female executives? yardwork Feb 25 #39
Yes, they were women XanaDUer2 Feb 25 #40
That's so horrible. yardwork Feb 25 #43
I watched the first episde when it came on Hulu. It felt like old news and also the style was a little too themaguffin Feb 23 #13
From the series, no, it really wasn't scrutinized since the '50s. Not even a little bit. Scrivener7 Feb 23 #14
Ok, I guess I didn't see or read it with my own eyes... themaguffin Feb 23 #15
Hefners grave is next to Marilyn Monroe's XanaDUer2 Feb 23 #16
And he didn't even bother to get her permission to put her nude photos in that first edition. Scrivener7 Feb 23 #17
Even worse XanaDUer2 Feb 23 #18
There is no grave. It is a crypt above ground. NoRethugFriends Feb 23 #26
A lot of it is so historical Johonny Feb 23 #19
All the women who were interviewed, who are still dealing with the fallout from their time there, Scrivener7 Feb 23 #20
Come on Johonny Feb 23 #21
Well, there is coverage XanaDUer2 Feb 23 #23
Some people are Johonny Feb 23 #25
I give up. Apparently these women in their 40s, 50s and 60s are too old for their stories to matter. Scrivener7 Feb 23 #22
I replied upthread XanaDUer2 Feb 23 #24
I am gobsmacked at those replies obamanut2012 Feb 23 #29
A lot of people love porn. They loved hefner. redqueen Feb 25 #35
Ding XanaDUer2 Feb 25 #42
Ding again. Scrivener7 Feb 25 #45
Crosby was prosecuted. Weinstein was prosecuted. R. Kelly was prosecuted. eallen Feb 23 #27
Maybe Cosby XanaDUer2 Feb 23 #28
Kick nt XanaDUer2 Feb 23 #30
Kick nt XanaDUer2 Feb 24 #31
Maybe the abuses are so massive XanaDUer2 Feb 25 #32
Why do people complain about topics that aren't being discussed... brooklynite Feb 25 #33
The treatment they got isn't what they signed up for Johnny2X2X Feb 25 #34
I'll never forget seeing hefner lionized here redqueen Feb 25 #36
Because there really weren't any explosive revelations SocialDemocrat61 Feb 25 #41
It'd be like if Bryan Singer were arrested tomorrow Sympthsical Feb 25 #44
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